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Tudor Black Bay 58 ZF v2 vs Gen

RepJunkie

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So after wearing the ZF v2 Black Bay 58 for just over a week and the gen for about a month, here is my review on how it fares to the gen.


Bracelet
Let’s start with the bracelet, its decent and fits just like the gen. Looks very close to the gen including the tapered fit, the rivets on the side of the bracelet are close to the gen but appear to be slightly smaller. However one thing to note is the bracelet rattles. Not something you would notice when the watch is on your wrist however if it’s off your wrist and you shake it ? It rattles and sounds kinda cheap. The clasp gap is an issue I’ve seen brought up a few times. Mine does a have gap bigger than the gen but I don’t think it’s very noticeable unless you really look at it.
Now let’s move on to the watch itself.

Dial
Here is where probably all of my issues with the watch lies. The black on the dial is very washed out. The dial is somewhat smother than the gen and comes off to be a slightly lighter colour than gen. Not a complete deal breaker but very obvious in bright lighting. Important to note that this bothers me more than it should since I’m used to the colour of the gen.

Hands, slightly a lighter shade of rose gold than the gen and in really bright light there is a slight mismatch in lume colour on the hands and hour markers. Hour markers don’t pop as they usually do on the gen, not to say they’re dull but the rose gold doesn’t shine or reflect light as well as the original and is completely outshined by the reflections of the hands.

Lume, as expected, does not last as long as the gen. I would say a couple of minutes at best. Due to the difference in the type of lume, most of the places where the lume is applied also seems whiter than the gen.

The crystal is a little thicker around the edges, so there is slight distortion there and it makes the swiss made sign a little hard to see. Not too big of a deal tho.

Bezel
Bezel wise, the rose gold is probably just a tiny bit lighter than the gen in bright light. Bezel pip is also a little flatter than the gen. Clicks well enough by my standards, good as gen ? Nope. Good for $288 ? Definitely.

Case
Case is decent, although the back of the lugs are a little sharp.. not sharp enough to cut you while wearing it, in fact when its on you don’t feel it at all, but sharp enough to feel them if you press the right spots. Crown tube is slightly longer than gen. Noticeable ? Probably. Does it ruin the watch ? Not at all. Not even as much as some people make it to be. It has never affected my wearability of the watch nor had an issue of it digging into my hand or anything. Rose logo on the crown is good as well. Caseback and everything else seems as good as gen to me.

Movement
Runs on A2824, easy and cheap to fix and maintain. Is it close to the gen ? Not a chance, its louder, has a lower power reserve and has a date complication which is hidden and only noticeable when you pull out the stem. But hey, this is a rep and your probably already knew that. If movement is a big deal to you, you’re probably better off getting a gen.

Review on TD
Got it from Li over on JTime. Great guy and absolutely pleasant to deal with. Contacted him via Whatsapp and made payment via a local bank account. QC pictures within 4 days and second batch of pictures the day after. Shipping took a little longer but I doubt this was their fault as it shipped out about 2 days after i GL’d it.

However, please understand this is my viewpoint after using the gen for a couple of weeks. Most people would not notice a lot of the things i mentioned earlier if they haven’t worn the gen.

Pictures here: https://vgy.me/album/ANNuGasO

TLDR; 90% of watch for 9% of the price. The bad ? Washed out dial, slight colour mismatch between lume on hands and hour markers, horrible lume performance and bracelet that rattles. The good ? Everything else. Should you buy ? Unless you want the best 1:1 AAAA++ Swiss Grade NWBIG uncalloutable absolute perfect watch, you definitely should! I would say the only reason to not get this watch is if the washed out dial really bothers you, which again is only something you notice under really bright lighting conditions. Although, if a v3 ever comes out with a darker dial, I would definitely be getting it.
 

Repworld

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Great comparison, how rep pearl compare to Gen ? Close pic please.


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Redrob

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Really great work, I've been waiting a lot for such a review, I'm definetely going to wait a V3 or the XF version that I've heard is coming.
 

Repworld

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Tried taking some, but camera couldn't focus on it. Basically on the rep the surrounding metal on the pearl is flat but on the gen it's a little more rounded around the pearl. I hope that makes sense to you.

Yes correct, I thought v2 s , that’s why I ordered KRF v3 , pearl stopped me.


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Tschacko

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I think the problem with the dial is a common on all tudors. The gen has a kind of rough structure that you don't see on the rep. The rep is smooth and flat. This is maybe where your perception of the color difference comes from.
 

DryWeeds

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Thanks for making it happen; I've been waiting for this comparison for a while. I have the Rep for about 3 months now but couldn't get access to Gen. I agree with (exactly) everything you said, especially with "90% of watch for 9% of the price" part! It could be 94% if they fix the clasp and smooth out the back of the case. No reasons to buy Gen with 3 months waiting time, I'm happy with my Rep.

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RepJunkie

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Really great work, I've been waiting a lot for such a review, I'm definetely going to wait a V3 or the XF version that I've heard is coming.

Oh my, is there an updated one coming ? Guess I should've waited a little longer haha.
 
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RepJunkie

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I think the problem with the dial is a common on all tudors. The gen has a kind of rough structure that you don't see on the rep. The rep is smooth and flat. This is maybe where your perception of the color difference comes from.

Ah, I see. Even from different factories ? Maybe that's the limitations of reps, they can't or will not do certain things because it's just not cost effective.
 
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RepJunkie

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Thanks for making it happen; I've been waiting for this comparison for a while. I have the Rep for about 3 months now but couldn't get access to Gen. I agree with (exactly) everything you said, especially with "90% of watch for 9% of the price" part! It could be 94% if they fix the clasp and smooth out the back of the case. No reasons to buy Gen with 3 months waiting time, I'm happy with my Rep.

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No worries, glad I could be of help. Surprisingly, the only reason why I got the gen is cause the AD (a shop I never purchased anything from, but walked in 2/3 times to browse and talk) called me a day after I went and offered me one. It was more of an impulse buy than anything else and now I'm really happy with the rep, might just sell the gen!
 
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Tschacko

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Ah, I see. Even from different factories ? Maybe that's the limitations of reps, they can't or will not do certain things because it's just not cost effective.

I have seen this on the Pelagos (LHD) and on the Shields from both XF and ZF.
Maybe you could do a comparison pic capturing the structure of the dial.
 
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Pejs30

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So after wearing the ZF v2 Black Bay 58 for just over a week and the gen for about a month, here is my review on how it fares to the gen.


Bracelet
Let’s start with the bracelet, its decent and fits just like the gen. Looks very close to the gen including the tapered fit, the rivets on the side of the bracelet are close to the gen but appear to be slightly smaller. However one thing to note is the bracelet rattles. Not something you would notice when the watch is on your wrist however if it’s off your wrist and you shake it ? It rattles and sounds kinda cheap. The clasp gap is an issue I’ve seen brought up a few times. Mine does a have gap bigger than the gen but I don’t think it’s very noticeable unless you really look at it.
Now let’s move on to the watch itself.

Dial
Here is where probably all of my issues with the watch lies. The black on the dial is very washed out. The dial is somewhat smother than the gen and comes off to be a slightly lighter colour than gen. Not a complete deal breaker but very obvious in bright lighting. Important to note that this bothers me more than it should since I’m used to the colour of the gen.

Hands, slightly a lighter shade of rose gold than the gen and in really bright light there is a slight mismatch in lume colour on the hands and hour markers. Hour markers don’t pop as they usually do on the gen, not to say they’re dull but the rose gold doesn’t shine or reflect light as well as the original and is completely outshined by the reflections of the hands.

Lume, as expected, does not last as long as the gen. I would say a couple of minutes at best. Due to the difference in the type of lume, most of the places where the lume is applied also seems whiter than the gen.

The crystal is a little thicker around the edges, so there is slight distortion there and it makes the swiss made sign a little hard to see. Not too big of a deal tho.

Bezel
Bezel wise, the rose gold is probably just a tiny bit lighter than the gen in bright light. Bezel pip is also a little flatter than the gen. Clicks well enough by my standards, good as gen ? Nope. Good for $288 ? Definitely.

Case
Case is decent, although the back of the lugs are a little sharp.. not sharp enough to cut you while wearing it, in fact when its on you don’t feel it at all, but sharp enough to feel them if you press the right spots. Crown tube is slightly longer than gen. Noticeable ? Probably. Does it ruin the watch ? Not at all. Not even as much as some people make it to be. It has never affected my wearability of the watch nor had an issue of it digging into my hand or anything. Rose logo on the crown is good as well. Caseback and everything else seems as good as gen to me.

Movement
Runs on A2824, easy and cheap to fix and maintain. Is it close to the gen ? Not a chance, its louder, has a lower power reserve and has a date complication which is hidden and only noticeable when you pull out the stem. But hey, this is a rep and your probably already knew that. If movement is a big deal to you, you’re probably better off getting a gen.

Review on TD
Got it from Li over on JTime. Great guy and absolutely pleasant to deal with. Contacted him via Whatsapp and made payment via a local bank account. QC pictures within 4 days and second batch of pictures the day after. Shipping took a little longer but I doubt this was their fault as it shipped out about 2 days after i GL’d it.

However, please understand this is my viewpoint after using the gen for a couple of weeks. Most people would not notice a lot of the things i mentioned earlier if they haven’t worn the gen.

Pictures here: https://vgy.me/album/ANNuGasO

TLDR; 90% of watch for 9% of the price. The bad ? Washed out dial, slight colour mismatch between lume on hands and hour markers, horrible lume performance and bracelet that rattles. The good ? Everything else. Should you buy ? Unless you want the best 1:1 AAAA++ Swiss Grade NWBIG uncalloutable absolute perfect watch, you definitely should! I would say the only reason to not get this watch is if the washed out dial really bothers you, which again is only something you notice under really bright lighting conditions. Although, if a v3 ever comes out with a darker dial, I would definitely be getting it.

What a great review and really useful for a Noob like me.

On several sites/shops I see the Tudor Heritage Black Bay Black from ZF in a version named V5, this must be an updated version of the V2 which you describe here in the review ?
 
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RepJunkie

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I have seen this on the Pelagos (LHD) and on the Shields from both XF and ZF.
Maybe you could do a comparison pic capturing the structure of the dial.

I tried to, however due to limitations of my camera I couldn't really get a nice shot of the dial's texture. Best one I could get are the images on top;
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RepJunkie

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Great Review. I think many are waiting for this review. Great Job! im probably gonna sell my rep now. :)

I'm about to sell my gen! Really happy with the ZF. Hopefully this helps people when deciding whether or not to get the ZF, cause I know it would definitely help me.
 
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RepJunkie

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What a great review and really useful for a Noob like me.

On several sites/shops I see the Tudor Heritage Black Bay Black from ZF in a version named V5, this must be an updated version of the V2 which you describe here in the review ?

I think that is the normal Black Bay that you're thinking of, you should look for the Black Bay Fifty-Eight ZF v2. Tudor has some pretty similar sounding names!
 
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Pejs30

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I think that is the normal Black Bay that you're thinking of, you should look for the Black Bay Fifty-Eight ZF v2. Tudor has some pretty similar sounding names!

Hmm, the Fifty-Eight are 39 mm and Black Bay are 41 mm true ?