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    Originally posted by Richarris View Post
    Folks, I have one of these on the way and am feeling a little nervy about movement reliability reading some of the later posts. Are folks getting these serviced on day 1 or is it a case of only those with ones that have developed issues are posting about them?
    I have two and I examined the balance jewels which are properly lubricated. I can’t speak for the rest of the movement but I assume it’s properly lubricated as well. Obviously getting it serviced is always a good idea but personally I would use it and enjoy it. As for reliability it is a solid movement and like any other watch, if it breaks you fix it.

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      Are there any members in the forum who live in the UK and could service this movement. I think taking it to your local watchmaker could be a little tricky ????

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        I found reference to one in Stockport via a forum post who seems mod friendly and that's just round corner from me. John Vass Watchmaker. Might help?

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          Hi Bad Boys
          Before opening a Thread on the Sale Forum section , I wanted to ask you if anyone owns a VSF 116613. I'm very very interested.
          I would exchange mine for the Rolesor version at same price , without calculating the expenses I had with my watchmaker.
          Please only PM , then just in case , I'll open a 3D on the forum reserved 4 the buyer.
          I don't sell it because it has flaws or anything else , but only because I prefer the Rolesor version.
          My trusted watchmaker will confirm everything.
          Let me know via PM. You will have a perfect VSF 126610LN.....

          Regard

          Junio M.

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            Originally posted by Punk_Boy View Post
            Hi Bad Boys
            Before opening a Thread on the Sale Forum section , I wanted to ask you if anyone owns a VSF 116613. I'm very very interested.
            I would exchange mine for the Rolesor version at same price , without calculating the expenses I had with my watchmaker.
            Please only PM , then just in case , I'll open a 3D on the forum reserved 4 the buyer.
            I don't sell it because it has flaws or anything else , but only because I prefer the Rolesor version.
            My trusted watchmaker will confirm everything.
            Let me know via PM. You will have a perfect VSF 126610LN.....

            Regard

            Junio M.
            You should post it in want to buy thread of Trade section.

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              Originally posted by Punk_Boy View Post
              Hi Bad Boys
              Before opening a Thread on the Sale Forum section , I wanted to ask you if anyone owns a VSF 116613. I'm very very interested.
              I would exchange mine for the Rolesor version at same price , without calculating the expenses I had with my watchmaker.
              Please only PM , then just in case , I'll open a 3D on the forum reserved 4 the buyer.
              I don't sell it because it has flaws or anything else , but only because I prefer the Rolesor version.
              My trusted watchmaker will confirm everything.
              Let me know via PM. You will have a perfect VSF 126610LN.....

              Regard

              Junio M.

              why u get a new one from a TD?

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                Jayalvin777

                I found out the cause of the winding issue on the VS3235 and it's not the yoke for sliding gear. While working on mine, the yoke quit engaging and I noticed a post was popping up through the train bridge nearby.

                3235


                This post contains the crown wheel and on the VS3235 (probably gen also) the post has a very thin washer built in on it that has a curved bend in it like a dial washer. It appears this washer is meant to push down on the post, driving it away from the underside of the train bridge. When it fails to do this, the crown wheel disengages from the intermediate crown wheel (right under the yoke for sliding gear) and this is what interrupts the manual winding capability.

                3235


                3235


                The 3135 is designed differently. It has a separate winding bridge from the train bridge, and the crown wheel is screwed directly into the underside of the winding bridge. IDK why the 3235 crown wheel isn't fixed in height - I can see no reason for it not to be, the 3135 crown wheel is fixed in height with a solid spacer called the crown wheel core. They probably just copied the gen design but that rep washer is crazy thin and cheap - worthless and causing these winding issues.

                3135


                3135


                As a proof of concept, I inserted a 27 guage wire "clip" (0.361mm) onto the 3235 crown wheel post under the thin curved washer and the issue is resolved. I needed to be able to wind the movement to work on it, so I'm leaving it in for now. I'll replace that clip with a similar height spacer of some kind, maybe a nylon or SS washer with a cutout to allow for placement around the post.





                Reps are so much fun to fix, ha.

                Edit: Thinking about this some more, there is undoubtedly a reason for the crown wheel to be able to disengage from the intermediate crown wheel on the gen or it wouldn't have been made that way. Some kind of safety measure in the event of some other conditions. It wouldn't be to prevent over-winding I believe, or we all would have noticed the difference between winding a fully wound spring and not engaging the ratchet wheel at all. In any case, on the rep once that cheap washer starts to fail at its task there really isn't a better solution than to add a spacer and fix the crown wheel in place.
                Last edited by KJ2020; 27-02-21, 01:23.
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                  Originally posted by KJ2020 View Post

                  I found out the cause of the winding issue on the VS3235 and it's not the yoke for sliding gear. While working on mine, the yoke quit engaging and I noticed a post was popping up through the train bridge nearby.

                  ...

                  Reps are so much fun to fix, ha.
                  Great contribution as always, sir.

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                    KJ2020 your posts never cease to amaze me with the rep rolex knowledge... and you have the patience of a Saint messing around with these movements.
                    Last edited by fatarms; 27-02-21, 00:48.

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                      Well guys, looks like VSF is having QC issues with there crystals (or maybe something else). I received mine today and the crystal is totally trashed with scratches and dust under crystal. https://imgur.com/a/KyJEd3X


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                        Originally posted by Btadl1997 View Post
                        Well guys, looks like VSF is having QC issues with there crystals (or maybe something else). I received mine today and the crystal is totally trashed with scratches and dust under crystal. https://imgur.com/a/KyJEd3X


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                          Originally posted by Bigpoppad View Post
                          Are you sure you've removed the plastic

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                          Yeah, the plastic is off. It’s all under the crystal.


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                            Originally posted by Btadl1997 View Post

                            Yeah, the plastic is off. It’s all under the crystal.


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                            Bummer. That looks shithouse

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                              Originally posted by KJ2020 View Post
                              Jayalvin777

                              I found out the cause of the winding issue on the VS3235 and it's not the yoke for sliding gear. While working on mine, the yoke quit engaging and I noticed a post was popping up through the train bridge nearby.

                              3235


                              This post contains the crown wheel and on the VS3235 (probably gen also) the post has a very thin washer built in on it that has a curved bend in it like a dial washer. It appears this washer is meant to push down on the post, driving it away from the underside of the train bridge. When it fails to do this, the crown wheel disengages from the intermediate crown wheel (right under the yoke for sliding gear) and this is what interrupts the manual winding capability.

                              3235


                              3235


                              The 3135 is designed differently. It has a separate winding bridge from the train bridge, and the crown wheel is screwed directly into the underside of the winding bridge. IDK why the 3235 crown wheel isn't fixed in height - I can see no reason for it not to be, the 3135 crown wheel is fixed in height with a solid spacer called the crown wheel core. They probably just copied the gen design but that rep washer is crazy thin and cheap - worthless and causing these winding issues.

                              3135


                              3135


                              As a proof of concept, I inserted a 27 guage wire "clip" (0.361mm) onto the 3235 crown wheel post under the thin curved washer and the issue is resolved. I needed to be able to wind the movement to work on it, so I'm leaving it in for now. I'll replace that clip with a similar height spacer of some kind, maybe a nylon or SS washer with a cutout to allow for placement around the post.





                              Reps are so much fun to fix, ha.

                              Edit: Thinking about this some more, there is undoubtedly a reason for the crown wheel to be able to disengage from the intermediate crown wheel on the gen or it wouldn't have been made that way. Some kind of safety measure in the event of some other conditions. It wouldn't be to prevent over-winding I believe, or we all would have noticed the difference between winding a fully wound spring and not engaging the ratchet wheel at all. In any case, on the rep once that cheap washer starts to fail at its task there really isn't a better solution than to add a spacer and fix the crown wheel in place.



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                                Originally posted by KJ2020 View Post
                                Jayalvin777

                                I found out the cause of the winding issue on the VS3235 and it's not the yoke for sliding gear. While working on mine, the yoke quit engaging and I noticed a post was popping up through the train bridge nearby.

                                3235


                                This post contains the crown wheel and on the VS3235 (probably gen also) the post has a very thin washer built in on it that has a curved bend in it like a dial washer. It appears this washer is meant to push down on the post, driving it away from the underside of the train bridge. When it fails to do this, the crown wheel disengages from the intermediate crown wheel (right under the yoke for sliding gear) and this is what interrupts the manual winding capability.

                                3235


                                3235


                                The 3135 is designed differently. It has a separate winding bridge from the train bridge, and the crown wheel is screwed directly into the underside of the winding bridge. IDK why the 3235 crown wheel isn't fixed in height - I can see no reason for it not to be, the 3135 crown wheel is fixed in height with a solid spacer called the crown wheel core. They probably just copied the gen design but that rep washer is crazy thin and cheap - worthless and causing these winding issues.

                                3135


                                3135


                                As a proof of concept, I inserted a 27 guage wire "clip" (0.361mm) onto the 3235 crown wheel post under the thin curved washer and the issue is resolved. I needed to be able to wind the movement to work on it, so I'm leaving it in for now. I'll replace that clip with a similar height spacer of some kind, maybe a nylon or SS washer with a cutout to allow for placement around the post.





                                Reps are so much fun to fix, ha.

                                Edit: Thinking about this some more, there is undoubtedly a reason for the crown wheel to be able to disengage from the intermediate crown wheel on the gen or it wouldn't have been made that way. Some kind of safety measure in the event of some other conditions. It wouldn't be to prevent over-winding I believe, or we all would have noticed the difference between winding a fully wound spring and not engaging the ratchet wheel at all. In any case, on the rep once that cheap washer starts to fail at its task there really isn't a better solution than to add a spacer and fix the crown wheel in place.
                                I was expecting something to go wrong with the 3234... so basically, stick to the 3135 for now if u want clone movement.


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