Can you tell me from which TD can I find an Arf ring for Daytona 116500?Looks like ARF has changed the bezel on the latest batch.
We know that the v1 bezel was very good, V2 bezel was ok and better then noob. I ordered a couple off the latest ARF SS bezels and it looks to be, that they are improved compared to V2 and maybe back to V1. Take a look, my 116520 with franken with ARF V2 bezel, QC of the latest batch bezels
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Noob Daytona vs ARF Daytona
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Ask you dealer which sent you the watch.
I don‘t think if you order the ceramic bezel from a dealer you never ordered before that they will support you
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It actually looks better than v1. Angle seems ever so slightly less obtuse
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Friends, do you currently confirm that the best mix, even for Daytona white 116500, is Noob casing and movement with dial, bezel and Arf bracelet? In your opinion, in percentual terms, how much do we approach to the gen?
Friends, do you currently confirm that the best mix, even for Daytona white 116500, is Noob casing and movement with dial, bezel and Arf bracelet? In your opinion, in percentual terms, how much do we approach to the gen?
markfisher
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I think 97.5%
Are you ironic or do you really think so? Without parts gen it seems difficult to reach that percentage.
markfisher
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How can you measure a percentage?
You need to give a weight to each component and judge each component in terms of how much is similar to the genuine counterpart... A really subjective evaluation imho.
Someone could say that the dial is the most important piece, some other could prefer the movement or the bezel or the case...
You need to give a weight to each component and judge each component in terms of how much is similar to the genuine counterpart... A really subjective evaluation imho.
Someone could say that the dial is the most important piece, some other could prefer the movement or the bezel or the case...
On this I agree, it was an indicative request. From Daytona experts, can you say that you achieve a very high level of replication in this way? Let us remember that it is about spending 1,300 / 1,400 euros without having gen parts.
markfisher
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In my opinion you need gen parts to get to a satisfying level of accuracy but this mean that you need to spend 2500/3500€ or more. On my superfranken daytona I have spent so far about 3000€.
mari115
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ARF dial vs BP dial
hey lukko pay attention because the BP dial has a bigger center hole, and it's not ideal when mounted on the 4130, the looks will be a bit off
The notion of frankening a rep with more rep parts seems absurd but the results are good.
The ARF bezel is great.
The ARF dial is very good.
The noob movement is incredible.
I think you're around 80% there with those mods.
To get to 90% you would need:
Gen hands
Gen crystal
Case refinish, especially the lugs
ARF bracelet
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Agree totally to ssouthall6
But have to say, when you are using for the 116500 build the follwing: Noob basewatch with real 4130 clone (working chrono) movement and mod it with these parts from ARF: dial 116500, ceramic bezel, bracelet + clasp you have a very nice good looking watch for approx. USD 1100,- (with labor and modding works)
When you reshape the case to get a much more GEN profile and look - you are nearly perfect.
With these moddings you only can tell by a 1:1 comparsion with a Gen the difference but not on the wrist (my personnell opinion)
I would say with this you are close to 90%
But I agree with also ssouthall6 - when you are using the listed GEN parts + ARF bracelet you are very very close to GEN and I would say = perfect
But have to say, when you are using for the 116500 build the follwing: Noob basewatch with real 4130 clone (working chrono) movement and mod it with these parts from ARF: dial 116500, ceramic bezel, bracelet + clasp you have a very nice good looking watch for approx. USD 1100,- (with labor and modding works)
When you reshape the case to get a much more GEN profile and look - you are nearly perfect.
With these moddings you only can tell by a 1:1 comparsion with a Gen the difference but not on the wrist (my personnell opinion)
I would say with this you are close to 90%
But I agree with also ssouthall6 - when you are using the listed GEN parts + ARF bracelet you are very very close to GEN and I would say = perfect
I know this mate, BP it’s 2.0 (or 2.2 on some others without reason like previous than this one in picture that i had bought), and ar it’s 1.7mm
BP it’s miles better than arf unfortunally as layout and subdials dimension and color (arf has subdials rings too shiny and bigger than BP). BP dial it’s more gen like, but unfortunally it has a bigger hole than arf.
Anyway i will try how this one will fit
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Agree totally to ssouthall6
But have to say, when you are using for the 116500 build the follwing: Noob basewatch with real 4130 clone (working chrono) movement and mod it with these parts from ARF: dial 116500, ceramic bezel, bracelet + clasp you have a very nice good looking watch for approx. USD 1100,- (with labor and modding works)
When you reshape the case to get a much more GEN profile and look - you are nearly perfect.
With these moddings you only can tell by a 1:1 comparsion with a Gen the difference but not on the wrist (my personnell opinion)
I would say with this you are close to 90%
But I agree with also ssouthall6 - when you are using the listed GEN parts + ARF bracelet you are very very close to GEN and I would say = perfect
What do you mean with the arf bracelet? It doesnt fit the noob right? Because its a bit smaller so you will get a gap at the lugs? Or am i missing something?
Unfortunately we are talking Chinese machining with wide variations in tolerances. Some have reported a perfect fit, others have reported a gap.
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I don't think this is about Chinese machining or anyone's machining. It's all about cost efficiency and mass production. Don't forget that 40% of your gen Swiss watch part is produced somewhere in China, so in that regard, I think there's good craftsmanship if the price is right. You want a Daytona at a fraction of a price, you'll have to cut corners, and material.
You need to look at the economics of things. You either sell 10 watches at 1000USD each or 1000 at 300USD each. And don't forget these watches are mainly destined to the Chinese market. The rest of the world just counts for a fraction of their sales. Different criteria of beauty, perfection and cost.
That was what I meant really, but it's 420am here in the UK and I couldn't be assed to type it
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Have not seen any good modd when the bracelet is too small.
Why does he needs to be specialized on Daytonas when he works on the bracelet?
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