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    #16
    I think you should spend a little more time here to learn which hot items among members, how the rep world works, the factories, and how the trusted dealers operates.


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      #17
      Originally posted by Nanook65 View Post
      I think your post for a first post is so unusual that most of us just don't even know where to start......

      You say that you have been buying reps in a store somewhere for 5+ yrs. I have been around reps now for almost 10 yrs and as far as I know there are no stores anywhere that sell reps. Maybe I am wrong. Do tell....

      BALI has heaps and i go there at least once a year and up till i found this world of replica's it was my once a year treat. You can spend between $90 and $300 AUD and the quality would appear to be in about the 30% of final retail value bracket. But it's nice to have a large selection in front of you that you can try on. I would guess this would also be the same in most asian tourist resorts. Thailand, Vietnam etc.

      Usually when someone new starts out & says something about DHGate we all go into the "Do not buy from anyone that is not a TD" thing, but it seems as though you know about TD's & the likes of DHGate so hmmm not sure what to say here.

      I don't fully understand the TD thing yet, i know enough to know of them but thats about it. There is a sense of that they care about the members on the site but i find that hard to believe, nearly all that i have met who deal with China are business and marketing only. Not saying that a bad thing, just that the feeling here is different. And I have to be careful because i am new and I don't want to burst anyones bubble.

      You say you don't place any value on the watch being an exact replica. This is pretty contradictory to what most everyone here is after so again not exactly sure what to say about that...

      Is it? I have found a thread that is showing people DHgate purchases, I have read post stating some of the myths in the replica watch world. I am sure there are others like me. However that being said, someone else refered to it as a hobby and i thought what are you talking about, buying a watch is not a hobby. But as i read more I totally understood where they were coming from. And i am definitely not in the hobby category. I wear the watch coz I like the look and the feel and thats it. Somehow a Seiko just wont do it for me. So as someone else stated perhaps this is not the site for me. But everyone here perhaps didn't realise how much of a hobby this would become when they started. And they started with a smaller interest that grew.

      You say you like quartz & Panerai. Well as far as I know I have never seen a quartz Panerai so once again this is just really strange & I have a hard time coming up with an answer.

      Do you mean a Gen or Rep because there are plenty of Rep quartz Pans on DHgate.

      Addressing quartz by itself without the whole Panerai thing: it is sometimes hard to figure out which watches the makers are going to make, but two things that do seem to be consistent are that the watch needs to be somewhat popular and somewhere around a minimum of $1500 or so for the real deal otherwise ther rep makers will pass. Expensive watches have become jewelry & art every bit as for function. With that said most genuine watches above $1500 are mechanical as there is nothing artsy or fancy about a quartz watch. For this reason your choices for a nice quartz watch are extremely limited. I am not into quartz watches at all so I won't venture a guess. It seems like I keep repeating this, but once again I am having a hard time coming up with a good answer that seems suitable for you.

      Do you have any experience with the cheaper mechanical movements? Am i wrong to steer away form them in favour of quartz. Even on this site i have read that they are noisy unreliable and can come broken and need servicing. It would appear to me that there are some cheap and poorly made cases out there with Quartz in them. Move up to the basic Mechanical movement and the quality of the cases get better. Would i perhaps be better of getting into the lower end mechanical movement with the idea of upgrading the movement at a future date?



      Idk

      Again i know it may seem like a lot of dumb questions to you, but thanks for any help

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        #18
        Originally posted by pfargo View Post
        I did a test and bought a Rolex YM from both a TD here and from dhgate. As far as the second hand moving, and the dial the real difference you can feel is the band. TD watch was heavier, set smoother, and looks more like a gen. Is it worth the extra $200? Depends on you. I find myself wearing the TD much more than the cheap dhgate.
        Thats great advice...

        It does sound like the DHgate watch was cheaper than the TD watch. I have seen more expensive watches on DHgate, i wonder how they would compare. I guess the real question is who is offering the better deal? But i also think thats why there is the TD at least you know what your getting. Spending more on DHgate may be a risk.

        Did you buy Quartz or Mechanical on DHgate? Is it still working? Do you think it is worth upgrading the band, it sounds like the actual watch is not too bad? Also if you don't mind how much did you spend at the Gate?

        Thanks

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          #19
          Originally posted by hm11esh View Post
          I remember a few years back on Ali Express that you could buy quartz Panerais. These were dirt cheap at like 40 usd so there is no way the quality will be like the ones you can get from TD's.

          Having said that, if you are after a cheap watch and not fussed about how accurate it looks compared tot he gen then DH Gate is your best option.
          If you want something that resembles the gen and want better quality then a TD from here is the best way to go.

          I have bought a few cheapies from Ali Express and DH Gate when I was only after a watch with a specific brand name and didn't care about how accurate its dimensions, colour and movement was. Since then I have learnt from this forum when I got my first gen datejust that cheapies stand out like a sore thumb and wont ever buy anything unless its from my preferred TD

          Hope this helps you decide what you want.
          Is it ok to ask you who your trusted TD is so I can check them out, or is that frowned upon on the site? Maybe PM me if it's best not to post.

          Thanks

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            #20
            Originally posted by Russell66 View Post

            But don't the TD prices vary quite a lot? There seems to be TD with better marketing charging more for what looks like the same product? Also aren't all these products coming out of the same factories in China?

            I mean people that have been working with TD's for some time, isn't there a few that are offering better prices?

            Also when i go to the TD threads there is not always a direct link to the TD site, am I missing something?

            Do the TD's have a person running the company that has become known to this site and therefore they have formed a relationship?

            And just to check because i have been assuming... TD's are companies that have a history of supplying good watches to the people on the forum and the people on the forum have stated them as being honest sellers... Thats correct right?

            And finally not wanting to upset anyone but a short story...

            My Chinese contact Ming lives in Guangzhou he specialises in name brand copy handbags. If you order a container from him you can get discount, set up your own web site and sell them at a mark up. If you find his own direct web site you can buy the bag a little cheaper because he has less overheads, and gets better deals because he is Chinese and knows how the system works. He also sells the bag cheaper on DHgate and Aliexpress because of competition. i know the Chinese system as I have worked in it in other areas.

            The point is no matter where you buy the bag from as an end product, it still came from Ming who went to the same factory in Gaungzchou and sold the same bag. The only thing that changes is the marketing.

            This is a Forum to support its members who are into replica watches... I'm not really understanding why there is not a more clear path laid out that shows what people are purchasing, where they are getting it from and how much it cost.

            So lets say i want a Rolex Explorer and i have $150 to spend. Is there somewhere i could find out the best place to purchase the best value watch? Because I have not found anywhere yet on this site.

            I feel like one of those people who has enough knowledge to be dangerous, but not enough to actually understand. Although it is become clearer with each reply i get.

            Thanks



            re: Vary quite a lot - what is quite a lot? If you look at the TD's carrying the same watch, you'll find the price to be close and not vary by $50 to $100; which to me is quite a lot. Keep in mind the comparison needs to be of the same watch from the same maker.

            True there may be the same model watch but from different makers and you'll find a price range that varies greatly based on quality of the watch. If you want something as close to gen based on weight, material and workmanship, expect to pay more than a similar model that's made from lesser quality materials and workmanship.

            Your quest for a $150 Explorer will fall into the latter example. Best value is relative based on your tolerance of material quality, workmanship and perhaps availability.

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              #21
              Originally posted by efajri View Post
              I think you should spend a little more time here to learn which hot items among members, how the rep world works, the factories, and how the trusted dealers operates.


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              Sure agreed, i struggle in all areas to understand and make sense of what others seem to find easy. I work much like a watch if there is a small cog missing in my mind nothing at all turns. I have learnt to go looking for the small cog. Thats why i ask so many questions. Thanks

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                #22
                Originally posted by Martycus View Post

                re: Vary quite a lot - what is quite a lot? If you look at the TD's carrying the same watch, you'll find the price to be close and not vary by $50 to $100; which to me is quite a lot. Keep in mind the comparison needs to be of the same watch from the same maker.

                True there may be the same model watch but from different makers and you'll find a price range that varies greatly based on quality of the watch. If you want something as close to gen based on weight, material and workmanship, expect to pay more than a similar model that's made from lesser quality materials and workmanship.

                Your quest for a $150 Explorer will fall into the latter example. Best value is relative based on your tolerance of material quality, workmanship and perhaps availability.
                Ok from what i hear you saying...

                Most TD's are closely matched on pricing.

                But how do i know where they are made, some mention it but others don't.

                Also the accurate glass for an Explorer appears to be Sapphire but many sites are silent on Glass material, is that because at the TD level it is assumed at least the glass is accurate?

                A quick look through a few TD's revealed Explorer 2 starting at about $140 going up to $500. Some photography looks better than others, but looking beyond the photographic skills I can see little difference. They all look well made, and my personal disposition is likely going to be happy with the cheaper one. Unless i have the more expensive one next to it, thus realising what i am missing.

                So answering my own question, buy the cheaper one till i learn more and then change it if i am unhappy latter.

                And now i would need to ask the TD for specification and place of manufacture of the watch and like anything go shopping if i would like to find a better price.

                One other thing, on the TD list they have names of sub forums which seem to relate to web sites, yet they don't all bring up web sites. Is this a product of the industry with ever moving sites and a bit of googling is required. Or am i in the wrong place and missing the links?

                Thanks

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Russell66 View Post

                  Ok from what i hear you saying...

                  Most TD's are closely matched on pricing.

                  But how do i know where they are made, some mention it but others don't.

                  Also the accurate glass for an Explorer appears to be Sapphire but many sites are silent on Glass material, is that because at the TD level it is assumed at least the glass is accurate?

                  A quick look through a few TD's revealed Explorer 2 starting at about $140 going up to $500. Some photography looks better than others, but looking beyond the photographic skills I can see little difference. They all look well made, and my personal disposition is likely going to be happy with the cheaper one. Unless i have the more expensive one next to it, thus realising what i am missing.

                  So answering my own question, buy the cheaper one till i learn more and then change it if i am unhappy latter.

                  And now i would need to ask the TD for specification and place of manufacture of the watch and like anything go shopping if i would like to find a better price.

                  One other thing, on the TD list they have names of sub forums which seem to relate to web sites, yet they don't all bring up web sites. Is this a product of the industry with ever moving sites and a bit of googling is required. Or am i in the wrong place and missing the links?

                  Thanks
                  Manufacturers (makers) are, to name a few, noob, BP, gmf, arf, omf, jf and to understand differences, you'll have to read the reviews and forum threads in this forum. Bear in mind you're buying a replica and if you want an explorer that's highly accurate you'll have to get it from the R factory.

                  TDs generally list the maker so if you dont find it on one site, check another.

                  It's up to TDs to maintain their website; their primary business is selling replicas whether they choose to maintain links to sites is up to them.

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                    #24
                    Only you know what you will be happy with.

                    The quality we get from our TDs is pretty consistent for both quality and service once you make that first order or two.

                    Are the TD in some sort of cahoots with price fixing around the 3_500 mark for a majority of models.from the factories we know them for? Possibly.
                    But the alternative is buying from unknown DH type sellers that have reviews from people that may or may not care about quality on the same level as some of us.
                    Prices are all over the place, all over the web. From a $60 DH rolex up to several thousand for BS advertising "A+++ Swiss Grade" blah blah blah.

                    Worth the risk? Nah. The RWI boards, once you start really reading, should answer most of your questions. They've all bean asked, and answered many times over. But you can judge who you think has similar tastes or expectations as you and choose to listen to reasoning and experience.

                    I say buy a $300 whatever from one of the TD and report back how you think it compares to your previous purchases. Only you can know what you have and if our choices are worth it.

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                      #25
                      Sidenote, I know you said you didn't care about accuracy to gen, but I would love to see some quality pics of your reps and what you paid for each.

                      I think you will be amazed at how some of these guys on here can quickly and accurately point out flaws and compare to gen and known good reps at "x" price.

                      Possibly even guess at the factory/maker if there are tells and ones we are familiar with as far as the "good factories".

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by KraftMac View Post
                        Sidenote, I know you said you didn't care about accuracy to gen, but I would love to see some quality pics of your reps and what you paid for each.

                        I think you will be amazed at how some of these guys on here can quickly and accurately point out flaws and compare to gen and known good reps at "x" price.

                        Possibly even guess at the factory/maker if there are tells and ones we are familiar with as far as the "good factories".
                        Oh now im looking and learning I can for sure tell some easy differences, for example i have realised that my Hublot King Power THe Special One has a date hole to show the date but the rest of the numbers are printed. The original moves. It's not that i don't care about all comparisons, some are important to me. Like the one i just mentioned, it is on my list to upgrade to the same watch but better.

                        And what you say is right, i just read a great thread that directed me to the best sea dweller for $450, so that was cool.

                        One of the problems is i love the watches but have too many kids, hobbies and wifes to accomodate spending hours on this one, and I'm quickly realising thats what it takes.

                        I would post pics for you guys to pick my watches apart and in fact tried. But i seem to have restictions. Maybe coz im new here. And it wont let me.

                        Anyway Thanks for the advice.

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                          #27
                          use picr.me to upload the pics
                          copy paste the BBR code and press insert image

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                              #29
                              Ok thats not the best shot just wanted to try it quickly based on the info given. Ill get some more now I know it works.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Russell66 View Post

                                One of the problems is i love the watches but have too many kids, hobbies and wifes to accomodate spending hours on this one, and I'm quickly realising thats what it takes.

                                Anyway Thanks for the advice.

                                How many wives do you have, and are they all located in one place or distributed around geographically ??

                                I can empathize with you, and some advise, you need accurate timekeeping to keep to your schedule, day or night so forget reps, just wear a quartz, and a gen quartz at that!

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