VSF 3135 Winding issue

[2841]

Okay, I think I've found it how to deal with the issue (I certainly haven't fixed the issue)!!!!

I tried oiling as outlined and it's easy to do, even for a non tinkerer type such as myself. However it didn't make any noticeable difference and certainly didn't solve the problem.

I still couldn't get the 'yoke for sliding gear' (to use it's proper name - I think) to engage like it should. I couldn't work out what causes the yoke to move when you turn the crown clockwise. Is it just friction?

Anyway, the 'fix' is to turn the crown clockwise rapidly and firmly until it engages: a quick, firm, full spin with the fingers. I have a tendency to be very gentle when winding/time setting etc, but if you turn the crown slowly/gently, it doesn't move the yoke. A quick, firm spin however and it engages every time. You only need to spin quickly until you feel the yoke engage (so there's no danger of damaging gear teeth). Then you can just wind gently as normal.

https://vimeo.com/482790205

I like that the solution to a complicated, fragile, delicate watch movement is..... ANGRY RAGE SPIN

Thanks for the info, this will most certainly help out a lot of people with similar issue

[p0pperini]

Anyway, the 'fix' is to turn the crown clockwise rapidly and firmly until it engages: a quick, firm, full spin with the fingers. I have a tendency to be very gentle when winding/time setting etc, but if you turn the crown slowly/gently, it doesn't move the yoke. A quick, firm spin however and it engages every time. You only need to spin quickly until you feel the yoke engage (so there's no danger of damaging gear teeth). Then you can just wind gently as normal.

You’ll almost certainly be hearing from my lawyer.

[GingerBubba]

Lol, wunch of bankers.

I should clarify, it doesn't have to be a powerful spin that would cause all sorts of metal grinding on metal. I suppose a quick spin is a better description. Like clicking your fingers, but with your thumb and index finger (with the crown in-between them).

I just told a watch forum how to wind a watch

[p0pperini]

I clearly got the impression from your previous post that you meant I should hold a pair of mole-grips in my teeth, clamp the crown in the grips and spin the watch violently by slapping it with motorcycle gauntlet-clad hands. At which point should the finger-clicking occur?

[GingerBubba]

The finger clicking is on every second beat.

It's two quick for stamps of your foot on the first beat, then a finger click on the second and repeat ad infinitum.

Whilst doing the stamping clicking thing, you should also sing, "Buddy, you're a boy, make a big noise, Playing in the street, gonna be a big man someday, You got mud on your face, you big disgrace, Kicking your can all over the place...."

If the watch isn't working after that, send the fucking thing to Oascom!

[Logixa]

Guys don't oil underneath that sliding gear. Common issue whenever the bottom has been greased or oiled

[Logixa]

GingerBubba take those part out, clean it all with rodico of alcohol, grease the base of the big gear with dx, apply a littld bit of grease on top of the big gear after putting it on the round plate, place sliding gear on top and screw it back in.

If you want to oil thd sliding gear too, only oil it between the sliding gears plate and gear itself. Absolutely no oil or grease should be used underneath the sliding gear where it touches the barrel bridge plate.

[GingerBubba]

GingerBubba take those part out, clean it all with rodico of alcohol, grease the base of the big gear with dx, apply a littld bit of grease on top of the big gear after putting it on the round plate, place sliding gear on top and screw it back in.

If you want to oil thd sliding gear too, only oil it between the sliding gears plate and gear itself. Absolutely no oil or grease should be used underneath the sliding gear where it touches the barrel bridge plate.

Look at you wearing your big boy pants!!!!! Thanks dude.

I don't get why oiling underneath the sliding gear would be a problem though (not that I have). Why?

Also, what mechanism causes the sliding gear to slide and engage with the other gears when you rotate the crown? Is it just friction?

[oascom]

Look at you wearing your big boy pants!!!!! Thanks dude.

I don't get why oiling underneath the sliding gear would be a problem though (not that I have). Why?

Also, what mechanism causes the sliding gear to slide and engage with the other gears when you rotate the crown? Is it just friction?

Sh had this problems too it's not only vsf. Sometimes when you oil the bottom it causes the sliding gear to be stuck as yours. It's a little art to make it running little grease here little there you have to play with it just don't over do it.


Try to put little drops of grease here :

[Logixa]

When turning the crown at 1, the gear at number 2 turned, number 2 makes number 3 turn and number 3 makes the sliding gear at 4 go back and forth.

Thats the most basic explanation

[GingerBubba]

Thanks Oascom and Llogixa!

Llogixa, when wheel three turns though, there's nothing on it that makes the sliding gear move? Or is there? Is it just the friction/inertia of that gear turning that provides movement to the sliding arm? Or is there some sort of notch/tooth on the gear that pushes/pulls the sliding arm?

[Logixa]

It's just the inertia of the gear itself. The clicking spring pushes back on the big yellow gear on top of the barrel and thus pushes also the sliding gear back away from the yellow gear. I'll make a little video of it today to show it.

[Logixa]

GingerBubba

https://vimeo.com/483563489?ref=em-share

[GingerBubba]

Yeah, thought it was that. Thanks mate!

[SS72]

Consider us the VS3135 Beta users.
I like the look of that service manual!