Yachtmaster

[darkknight62]

Hi guys,

I was a silent reader at this forum, now that I bought my first "high version replica" Yachtmaster 126622 Rhodium - I have some questions regarding to this watch:

- First of all, I don't know from which company this watch is (because I bought it from a reseller)?
- What movement is build in this watch ?

I attached some pictures, so maybe someone with more knowledge could help me out!
Thank you for your help in advance

 

[KJ2020]

A few more pics would be helpful. Clear pics of the serial number on the rehaut (at 6 o'clock), the clasp code, and the balance assembly.

Two pics of a movement are nice but not essential. If you show only one, it should be the exact opposite half of the one you posted.

 

[darkknight62]

Thank you for your respond!

I have no access to the movement and also balance assembly right now! But I attached the pics of case and serial number.

 

[KJ2020]

OK your movement has a decoration (deco) plate hiding the real movement. These are used to make a cheaper movement appear more like the gen-spec model but they fool only uninformed viewers.

It looks like your deco plate can be removed with 2 screws, one at the arrow and the other would be on the opposite side under the rotor. The rotor would have to come off first (center screw) to get the deco plate off.

So your movement is not a true clone 3135, this is what one of those looks like. Compare the "like" elements of yours to the pics below, you can see that your deco plate is not even close.

This doesn't necessarily mean your movement is trash, it may be a clone ETA 2824 or 2836 which are workhorses.

I don't recognize this rep (maybe EWF) but I can tell you it is not top tier. If you want to browse for it by comparing pics, Trusty's site is great for that. As you become more familiar with elements of reps, your search will speed up rapidly.

Search Results -> Rolym 3135 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop

 

[darkknight62]

So is it beside the movement a top tier ?

And if so, can I change the movement ?

 

[KJ2020]

So is it beside the movement a top tier ?

Not likely. Top tier reps generally don't come with cheap movements. EWF reps were marginally good with cheap movements but they are now defunct. They were always priced accordingly (lower than say CLEAN or VSF).

Yours doesn't look terrible but it's not great either. My 6 year old Noob 2824 below.

And if so, can I change the movement ?

It depends on a few things like movement diameter and stem height. Also it can introduce issues like dial feet not matching up, different hands hole sizes etc. You might need a movement holder, a dial spacer - changing a movement is seldom plug and play and often not even possible with some case and movement combos.

 

[innocenti]

Not likely. Top tier reps generally don't come with cheap movements. EWF reps were marginally good with cheap movements but they are now defunct. They were always priced accordingly (lower than say CLEAN or VSF).

Yours doesn't look terrible but it's not great either. My 6 year old Noob 2824 below.

It depends on a few things like movement diameter and stem height. Also it can introduce issues like dial feet not matching up, different hands hole sizes etc. You might need a movement holder, a dial spacer - changing a movement is seldom plug and play and often not even possible with some case and movement combos.

Own the same Noob myself and it never fails to impress me when I get it out to wear (especially in the daylight)

 

[darkknight62]

The thing is that I purchased this actually as a "clean" watch, it also had the red 904L written on the strap protection and the silverfish "clean" sticker on the wirst, and also a silicone-protector on the watch written "clean" on it and a anime-like sticker on the casing door! And I also paid the price of a clean-factory for it!

But the seller told me that the movement is not the same that clean factory uses!

 

[KJ2020]

Own the same Noob myself and it never fails to impress me when I get it out to wear (especially in the daylight)

Every time I wear mine I think "Wow this is really nice, I need to wear it more often." I've never had the caseback off, it has run so well for so long.

 

[KJ2020]

The thing is that I purchased this actually as a "clean" watch, it also had the red 904L written on the strap protection and the silverfish "clean" sticker on the wirst, and also a silicone-protector on the watch written "clean" on it and a anime-like sticker on the casing door! And I also paid the price of a clean-factory for it!

But the seller told me that the movement is not the same that clean factory uses!

Stickers are just that - it's not an uncommon ploy. Sadly that watch is definitely not a CLEAN.

We all have a tale of woe or two. Use only TDs here from now on to minimize them.

 

[KJ2020]

But the seller told me that the movement is not the same that clean factory uses!

This was your red flag.

 

[darkknight62]

Went to a watch smith and unscrewed the rotor, and tried to remove the decoration plate as you told but it wasn't a decoration plate. It was all functional and not decorative.

 

[KJ2020]

Went to a watch smith and unscrewed the rotor, and tried to remove the decoration plate as you told but it wasn't a decoration plate. It was all functional and not decorative.

I see some things that make me doubt that assessment but I don't have the watch in hand so ofc I can't say for certain.

BUT, often a deco plate will have more than just 2 screws so all of them may not have been removed. It is also not uncommon for both the rotor and the autowind device beneath it to need to be removed before a deco plate can be removed.

Note there is screw at the left red arrow that would have no purpose unless it goes through the gold gear wheel beneath it. If it does go through that gear, the gear couldn't turn because the screw is off center. There is also what looks like another screw at the right red arrow.

Also the stem release button at the green arrow looks fake (it's directly over the stem) as there is another stem release button at the blue arrow. The one at the blue arrow is the type commonly found on cheaper movements. A stem release button needs to be to the side of the stem, not on top of it (see true clone pic below).

Also, see how the autowind bridge jewels coincide with the autowind gears on the true clone 3135 at the black arrows? You can see the gear pivots (staff ends) in the middle of the purple jewels.

Your autowind jewels do not line up with any gears beneath them. All of these indicators are common with a deco plate - they kind of look real but yeah, no.

If I'm wrong and all those gears actually function it's a new one on me but there is no doubt at all that the movement is cheap. That doesn't mean it can't last long or perform well, I have a $17 DG2813 that's still going strong nearly 7 years. It just means that it's not worth the price you paid, unfortunately.

 

[CurioLeo]

You are literally being schooled by one of the best and most helpful members when it comes to movements AND he is showing remarkable constraint and patience while remaining informative. Be grateful..... you have definitely been taken for a ride if you were told this is a Clean watch but with a different movement and no watchsmith worth their salt would argue that's a clone movement. We all have our "learning experience" purchase - consider this yours.

 

[Rx4Time]

So.... You probably want to do a quick search of fake clean watches. Apparently there are a bunch of them floating around which is possibly what you have. That means the mid case is clean and everything else is whatever they threw in it. If you don't believe what you're being told, do this... Take a video of setting the time and date by the crown and post it. That will help clue everyone in as to what movement it is based off of which direction the hands and date adjust in and how fast the hands turn by the crown.

 

[Rx4Time]

Here's a quick video of my genuine submariner time and date adjust for your reference.

https://vimeo.com/1010849076?share=copy