Whose the maker of this 004 T-Dial - Experts please help..

[ryllz]

Hey all need your help and expertise on the maker of this watch... just bought this on an m2m sale and need to identify the maker.. thought it was dsn but the dial is different to what he has advertised in his site. Bought this as a 004 T-Dial with 6497-1 swiss movement confirmed as seen in pics below with Sapphire Crystal and Single AR.. what do you guys think of this version of the 6497-1 Swiss movement.. is it good?

Any other information you guys can help me with would be great! Just need to know more about this watch and how accurate it is. Wouldnt mind spending the money to buy whatever needs to be replaced on it to make it closer to gen as possible.. Also if you guys know who can help me mod this closer to gen please let me know of a modder that can help me out...

Thanks in advance.. now onto the pics...

 

[COLDI]

fgd. no doubt. where did you pick it up?

 

[COLDI]

Also if you ever let it go let me know via PM

 

[projectologist]

Not sure which maker made this dial but it is definitely not an FGD dial.

Simon's dial has the correct shape 6 and 2 plus the font is ever so slightly more rounded at the corners and ends per gen. The dial in the OP has a font that is too sharp.

Enlarge the first pic and notice the misaligned recessed areas around the lume, really bad quality.

What is really weird about the dial in the OP is that it has the numbers of the A series dial but T-SWISS-T which is on the pre-A dial. The 004a should have T SWISS T under the 6.

This illustrates the PreA vs A series dials differences...

 

[ALE7575]

Caseback is also a Pre-A from first batches and correctly engraved

With case OP6500 and the four last digits of BB-97XXXX serial number are the same as the four production number. In this case 0099

It is very curious that above mentioned replica has the same number 0099 as the gen pic I published, in PAM GUIDE extracted from the links indicated in Datasheet of Pre-A’s.

I extract the comments from PAM GUIDE:

4.2- ENGRAVING THE Pre-A WATCHES
It is very interesting the numeration system followed for the Pre-A Panerai watches, but it has fixed rules interesting to know them. It is very important to know the engraving systems of the Pre-A watches in order to evaluate accuracy of rep casabacks
The Pre-A series of Panerai have three productions with different rules of engraving.
1000 units of PAM 001,002,003,004,009,010 were launched in the first series production of Pre-A series and with two different cases OP6500 and after that OP6502

a) Case OP6500 Pre-A first bach of the first series
They started with serial number BB97001.
It is fairly easy to identify a pre-A watch of the first series. For OP 6500 Pre-A's, the last four digits of the BB-number or serial number should equal the four digits of the production number. The relationship between serial number (BB) and production (0XXX/1000) is always consistent and logical. This last principle holds true for all Pre-A's.
For example, the oldest known of this series is a Pre-A PVD PAM 009 BB970007 Р0007/1000, fondly known as the Bond (007) Panerai. It is just the seventh Vend̫me Paneari ever produced. Please note the 0007 of the serial number and the 0007 of the production number are the same.
Another example could be:
OP6500For
BB970499
0499/1000
In this case 0499 are the same in serial and production number.

In above picture you can see another gen Pre-A watch with OP6500 case. In this case are the serial and production number 0099.

ALE

 

[ryllz]

so what ive got here is a unique mashup then huh ?!? Kinda cool... so its a 004 PreA Caseback and T-Swiss-T on the dial and a 004 A-Series indices/numerals on the dial itself. I like the fact that it is non matching dial and hands too.. love the look. So if I was able to find an FGD Pre-A dial and hands Non Mathing it should fit onto this case correct? Any comments on case, CG, Crown , Lugs?

Not sure if I want to keep it as is being its unique or fix the dial and hands with an FGD non matching dial/hands. It does have a swiss movement so definitely thinking of improving it. Anyone recommend a modder that can help me with it?

New pics.. added a dark red strap with golden stitch to it... works for me. ;-)

 

[Bozz]

Maybe a DSN?

 

[COLDI]

I was looking on my phone and thought the T-SWISS-T was a FGD thing. I was proved wrong

 

[projectologist]

I was looking on my phone and thought the T-SWISS-T was a FGD thing. I was proved wrong

It is an FGD thing. But the FGD dial you are referring to has the correct numbers/indices for that dial... the one in the OP does not.

Well at least you were half right

 

[ryllz]

I thought it was from DSN 040 but the numbers looked different and his doesnt have the T-SWISS-T at the bottom.. saw his old 004a dials from back around 2008 and it doesnt look like this either.. the mystery remains on who made this dial... I am digging the look though.. hehe

 

[granvino]

The case, cg and case back (I have one in the box) are older model DSN. Look at the pointy lever on the cg and the longish thin lugs. The crystal is not.

 

[civic4982]

Looks like DSNs work .


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[kilowattore]

Unfortunately I have nothing to add about who the maker of the dial could be.
But I like your watch a lot, the non matching dial and hands are great looking, and the color of numbers and indices is beautiful.
Great watch despite stated inaccuracies, wear it well