What would you do?

[E J]

I today I will get a PAM 112

So I am wondering, what would you do:

Buy the swis version:
http://www.ttwristwatch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=956

or the Asian:
http://www.ttwristwatch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35

Even if it is swiss or asian, if someone (expert) would look a the movement they would know it is a rep all the same, right?

And with the price difference buy DSN crystal (do they fit other dealers models? and how much are they?), sandwich dial and hands (heard that if you fit DSN hands on asian movement no need to get cannon pinion fix)

So what would you experts would do if you had to choose one of these options????

Thanks guys

 

[sssurfer]

Yes, a true expert would know it is a rep even with the ETA.
And a 120 bucks difference is 70% of the whole price of the cheaper one.

Personally I would go for the ETA version only on more expensive models, where the difference has a lower impact on the whole cost.

I think it all depends on whether you are sure you can live with a less accurate version knowing that there is another better version out there.

Please, I don't understand why considering using the saved money to replace the crystal with a DSN. Even the Asian version comes with a sapphire crystal, I saw... :?:
Just the AR coating?

 

[marcel]

I have an Asian movement 177H from TrustyTime. So far (a couple months) so good with the Asian movement (unserviced). From my reading on this forum, Swiss versus Asian is the luck of the draw and perhaps a servicing of the Asian movement. So perhaps the question is of aesthetics versus reliability: lume, crystal mod with unserviced Asian similar cost to serviced Asian similar cost to umodded Swiss. Depends on your priorities.

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

Contact Ruby or Trevor. You can get the same watch as your first link above much much cheaper.

I believe Ruby's price is either $209 or $219. I think she can still source the movement (what we call "Swiss").

 

[E J]

@ss I would use the saved money to get the crystal because I've heard DSN's Crystals have superb AR. Plus getting the dial and hands (which is cheaper I guess to sending it to have it relumed) although I know I will have to get the dial diled down to fit.

@marcel I have other asian reps (not manual winds though) and they have never broken on me. About getting an asian serviced, I bet it is cheaper just to buy another asian movement :lol: , or maybe when it breaks down replace it with swiss.

What do you guys think

Swiss or Asian and use extra money to mod it?

Thanks againn

 

[sssurfer]

@ss I would use the saved money to get the crystal because I've heard DSN's Crystals have superb AR.

I have no DNS watch so I can't tell on my own, but on several pics I saw his AR was not so superb. Possibly he upgraded his AR treatment after the last time I saw it.

Same way, I am unsure whether the ETA version does not need any AR improvement if you are a true AR fan.

The same about the lume too.

Given those doubts, I personally would go for the Asian version + moddings, unless I were sure that the ETA vesion does not need any further AR and relume.

 

[Hellcat]

Oh heck....get both of them!!!!

 

[E J]

@Joe Thanks man, are you sure it is the same one. I don't know looking at the pics (with my noob eyes) they look different. Maybe it is just the pics. But anyway I really love Trusty's customer service, always took car of me. So Joe if you had only the two options above what would you do?

Thanks Surfer I'll probably follow your advice!

Thanks guys

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

@Joe Thanks man, are you sure it is the same one. I don't know looking at the pics (with my noob eyes) they look different. Maybe it is just the pics. But anyway I really love Trusty's customer service, always took car of me. So Joe if you had only the two options above what would you do?

Thanks Surfer I'll probably follow your advice!

Thanks guys

I agree Trusty's service is top notch :wink: hearing from others.

So you're looking for a 112H, correct? with sandwich dial.

Sometimes, I feel like the movement is not an issue since both Asian and "Swiss" work and run fine, and if any Pam expert looks at it, they can tell it's not a genuine article. But then again, I feel that why spend so much money modding an Asian version? Dillemma here haha

Davidsen's 112H dial is pretty damn close - I think the only visual flaw is the text is a bit on the thin side and a bit wide... hard to describe, but it isn't 100% dead on. As you know, most rep dial's font is good, except "L SWISS MADE L" touches the "6". However, gen 112H has "L SWISS MADE L" closer to "6" than other H series (ie. 111H).

Check the pic below - of gen 112H

So, if I were to put this together, I would go with a standard 112H rep and get "Swiss" from Ruby for a bit cheaper and get it modded. I am not sure what kind of lume DSN uses, but Vaccum and FF both use C1 & C3 mix - which creates a bit whiter number markers when the lume is not charged (which is closer to gen).

So... it'll probalby run you...

$219 (assuming this still is Ruby's price) + Relume & cannon pin ($150-175) + Crown upgrade (if you choose to do this - .... 50-70 bucks?) So it'll be more expensive route.

I do not want to contradict myself here, but do check this out though -

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24081

Above is a review on DSN's 112H. It looks pretty damn good without any mods huh? I believe he sells it for $390 + WU fees (15 bucks or so). As I mentioned earlier, I think the font is a bit thin and wide. and also the dial is more suitable for 176H which has wider spacing between the "L SWISS MADE L" and "6". But it's really minor stuff we're talking about here and it's hassle-free. No waiting for the mod job.

I think this is probably all you need to know about 112H, sorry for such long response.

Joe

 

[E J]

Thanks Joe! Now I know what I gotta do...


Asian Version 178 + DSN hands and dial 80? (no relume or cannon cause i read somewhere DSN + Asian movement no cannon pin fix necessary) + Crownguard upgrade 50 - 70?

So the whole thing will en up around around $300-320 (save 70 from the $390 from DSN)

What do you think, do you like the idea?

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

Thanks Joe! Now I know what I gotta do...


Asian Version 178 + DSN hands and dial 80? (no relume or cannon cause i read somewhere DSN + Asian movement no cannon pin fix necessary) + Crownguard upgrade 50 - 70?

So the whole thing will en up around around $300-320 (save 70 from the $390 from DSN)

What do you think, do you like the idea?

A couple of things

Where are you getting your quote for the Asian version 112? I think it's a bit on the expensive side. I got a PVD base pam for $115 from Trevor & Ruby's TI 176 with thicker crown for $139 - you could probably do a bit better than $178.

I am not sure about the cannon pin - but I think if you're using DSN's hands, they're capped on top to create a flushed look - I think. So you'll be covered either way. Double check though.

So in the end your only "flaws (to our eyes ^^) will be - the movement, and the minor font issues on DSN's dial. Will you be doing the mods (crown and the dial, movement, setting the hands) yourself?

I think it may cause you a bit of hassle, but I do like the idea. On the other hand, for 70 bucks difference, I may just go with DSN (if you like DSN's dial that is). You'll get his Sword "Swiss" movement too

It's up to you I guess. I hope that I am helping you narrow your choices down, not the other way around

Joe

 

[E J]

Joe, Thanks I really appreciate all your help.

I will do the mods myself, and looking at your en pic maybe I wont change the dial (luming has got to be pretty easy on a sandwich dial) and then get a good AR crystal from DSN instead of buying dial and hands.

Waht is your experience with DSN crystals? are they really that good on the AR?

You are right buying from DSN is the easiest way to go, but I really want to mod it myself

Thanks for all the advice

Will post pics to see how it turns out.

 

[sssurfer]

Chieftang provides perfect AR coating on crystals you send him, and also lello is going to provide it.

Chieftang's AR is top quality and a little less expensive than buying a new AR coated sapphire.

Lello's promises to be even less expensive, but it's still undergoing testing.

 

[Pix]

Hi,
just for information.
I bought a 112H from Silix for 110 dollars...
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25212

If you go for asian, then why not going on the cheapest ?
The only difference I see is the mineral vs sapphire crystal.
And as far as "light AR" is concerned, well...

 

[E J]

@surfer Thanks, that is actually a great idea, I will even save some bucks on that AR.

@Pix Wow awesome watch! Love the strap too. You are right might buy from Silix or Ruby which are the cheapest asian models. If I'm going to mod well then....

Thanks guys you've been very helpful!

 

[sssurfer]

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