What is the best Panerai rep that has a sapphire caseback, date & power reserve?

[Silvire]

Hey guys,

Just curious to ask everyone's opinion.

Is there even a Panerai that has a Power Reserve indicator, date function, and has a sapphire display caseback?

I am looking high and low and searching ALE7575's guide, but it seems that his guide has not been updated since mid 2014.

I am essentially looking for a Panerai Rep that has:

• Working Date function
• Working Power Reserve function
• Sapphire display caseback

Decorated movement, accuracy, and as similar as possible to gen are all pluses.

Anyone able to assist me with any recommendations?

So far I've found only the PA13775 - all others I've found either have a faux power reserve indicator, or have solid casebacks.
Any recommendations friends?

 

[lmmo]

None AFAIK, since rep movements don't have working PR.

 

[Silvire]

What about this one?

The TS Watch Ltd (TD) page says: Asian 21J Automatic With Working Power Reserve At 4:00 Position

 

[Uberschall]

There's only one rep that I can think of that has working date, PR and sapphire display casebacks but it is not accurate.

It is a fantasy PAM 090 (the gen has a SS caseback); I happen to own one - it's the first rep I bought.

It has:
- a decorated ST2530 movement with functional power reserve
- a sapphire display caseback
- a working date which is functional using a dimple on the case at 8 o'clock

For more information, take a look at this thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/252583-Bought-a-PAM090-today-What-you-guys-think

The first post has pictures of the watch in question, which I am reposting:

I can take pictures of mine if you'd like to see more, but keep in mind that this watch is not gen-like in many ways.

 

[ShadyManc]

I would lose the PR function, it would not function in any case. A PR function, have to say I'm not a fan of these on the face, on the back maybe. Lose the PR and you open up your options.

 

[Uberschall]

Lose the PR and you open up your options.

Agreed! You'll then find a myriad of watches with a working date, display caseback that are quite accurate...

 

[Silvire]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

Are there any recommendations for the most gen-like Panerai Rep, with a working date and display caseback then? I'd love one with the small seconds dial, though!

I guess I COULD do without the power reserve. It would just be nice to have it but not the most 100% necessary. =)

 

[Uberschall]

Do yourself a favor and start by reading ALE7575's excellent guide: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...earch-Identification-Evaluation-amp-Selection

One of my favorite PAMs with working date, display caseback and small seconds dial? The 312... Take a look at the following threads:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...nt-version)-vs-KW-Pam-312-Another-comparision
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...-now-ZF-or-KW-or-maybe-noob?highlight=PAM+312
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/187040-Incorrect-Lettering-Colour-on-PAM-312-KW

As you'll see there are a couple of version of the 312 (or any other model you choose). Read carefully, decide on what is more important to you (and what flaws you can live with)...

 

[Watch-addict]

There's only one rep that I can think of that has working date, PR and sapphire display casebacks but it is not accurate.

It is a fantasy PAM 090 (the gen has a SS caseback); I happen to own one - it's the first rep I bought.

It has:
- a decorated ST2530 movement with functional power reserve
- a sapphire display caseback
- a working date which is functional using a dimple on the case at 8 o'clock

For more information, take a look at this thread: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/252583-Bought-a-PAM090-today-What-you-guys-think

The first post has pictures of the watch in question, which I am reposting:

I can take pictures of mine if you'd like to see more, but keep in mind that this watch is not gen-like in many ways.

I thought I was on my own with this i have the same one! Not seen many on here as you say its not gen like so gets passed over. Power reserve works spot on too!

 

[applez]

I like the PR indicator. It lets me know if a watch will still be ticking in the AM, in case I want/need to use it to check the time.

 

[Silvire]

Hey Watch-addict and Uberschall: can I check, for that PAM you linked, the date works, right? As in, I can adjust it using the dimple at "8" but the date will automatically change when it crosses midnight?

Also, how does the back compare to a standard Panerai display caseback? I'm asking because it seems on standard display casebacks, the "display area" is larger, while on your reps, the "display area" seems to be smaller while the circular metal border, where the inscription "OFFICINE PANERAI" is, seems to be wider than normal? Or is it just me?

Last question, are you able to link the TD you bought it from?

 

[mysterio]

There are none that fit the bill. If you are going to settle for inaccurate reps, then that PAM090 fantasy is right up your alley. Just show the picture to any TD, they should be able to source the watch for you if still available.

 

[Uberschall]

I thought I was on my own with this i have the same one! Not seen many on here as you say its not gen like so gets passed over. Power reserve works spot on too!

It gets passed over on here because the main raison d'être of this forum, at least to me, is to improve and maintain the quality of reps to the point where they resemble as much as possible their gen siblings.

That being said, I love my PAM 090 rep. It keeps excellent time, the power reserve works spot on as you said, and I even get compliments wearing it. :happy:

 

[Uberschall]

I like the PR indicator. It lets me know if a watch will still be ticking in the AM, in case I want/need to use it to check the time.

I like PR indicators too. I own a gen PAM that has a PR indicator for its 8 (more like 10 day) PR. That's not what is at stake here.

 

[Uberschall]

Hey Watch-addict and Uberschall: can I check, for that PAM you linked, the date works, right? As in, I can adjust it using the dimple at "8" but the date will automatically change when it crosses midnight?

Also, how does the back compare to a standard Panerai display caseback? I'm asking because it seems on standard display casebacks, the "display area" is larger, while on your reps, the "display area" seems to be smaller while the circular metal border, where the inscription "OFFICINE PANERAI" is, seems to be wider than normal? Or is it just me?

Last question, are you able to link the TD you bought it from?

The date works perfectly; it changes every time you press in the dimple. And yes, the date automatically changes every evening.

The display area is a little smaller. The metal border is wider than normal, but doesn't reach the case in the same manner. If you look at the following picture (of a gen PAM 312) you'll notice that it doesn't had the lip at the edge that the rep PAM 090 has.

I bought mine on Canal St in New York last year. I haven't been able to find a TD that carries a display case back of this model. If I find one, I'll let you know. You could probably buy the one on PureTime and add a display case back later. Or see if one pops up for sale in the RWI sales section.

 

[nalomb]

No display back, but if you're hungry for power reserve, the 028 and 057 aren't bad pieces.


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[Silvire]

I thought I was on my own with this i have the same one! Not seen many on here as you say its not gen like so gets passed over. Power reserve works spot on too!

I'm dying inside trying to find this! It seems none of the TDs have this on their websites/catalogues! =(

 

[Uberschall]

I'm dying inside trying to find this! It seems none of the TDs have this on their websites/catalogues! =(

If you'd be willing to forgo the date, here are some models that have a sapphire display caseback and a working power reserve:

http://www.tswatchltd.com/13617-pa13617.html
http://www.tswatchltd.com/13618-pa13618.html

Please note that the power reserve would be closer to 40-44 hours instead of 72 hours (as marked on the dial).

 

[Silvire]

Thanks for the help!

I did find these, was just trying to find one with a date.
Heh. Ah well!

Understood about the power reserve, however, I am curious how it works.
If the power reserve is only about 40-44 hours, on the power reserve sub-dial, will it show up as 40-44 hours out of the total 72 hours?

Or is it, when the power reserve is "full" at 40-44 hours, the sub-dial will show 72 hours.
If the power reserve is "half" at about 20-22 hours, the sub-dial will show about 36 hours.

One strange thing I noticed about those watches you linked - They have no date function, but the date adjust dimple at "8" is still there. So I'm assuming they're just using the same case, which means the date dimple button does nothing right?

 

[Uberschall]

Thanks for the help!

I did find these, was just trying to find one with a date.
Heh. Ah well!

Understood about the power reserve, however, I am curious how it works.
If the power reserve is only about 40-44 hours, on the power reserve sub-dial, will it show up as 40-44 hours out of the total 72 hours?

Or is it, when the power reserve is "full" at 40-44 hours, the sub-dial will show 72 hours.
If the power reserve is "half" at about 20-22 hours, the sub-dial will show about 36 hours.

One strange thing I noticed about those watches you linked - They have no date function, but the date adjust dimple at "8" is still there. So I'm assuming they're just using the same case, which means the date dimple button does nothing right?

I believe that's the case as far as the dimple is concerned. BTW, here's the basic schematic for the movement used in these watches (including the PAM 090):

The power reserve subdial should work the way you described it last - 72 hours representing the maximum power reserve amount.