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What is an MBW? History of a marque

pugwash

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Reposted from another thread on another forum. You may find it useful.

Here we go ...

Once upon a time, there was a German bloke called Maria. He lived in Thailand and bought replica Rolexes (and other watches) from a stall in the MBK centre, Bangkok. Some of these Rolex replicas (mostly the vintage 1665 and 1680 models) attained legendary status when people realised they were made the same way as the genuines, meaning the bezel construction was a 1:1 copy of the genuine version. What this meant was that people could fit genuine Rolex acrylic crystals and bezel inserts.

From this, a myth about their superior quality came about, with people believing they were 100% accurate replicas, when this wasn't actually the case. The steel they're made of is superior to that of other replicas, but the log holes are the wrong size, the crown guards are completely and utterly wrong and the dials on the red-print versions is basically not very good.

When Maria sold these watches, he did so under the name of Maria's Best Watch, which itself took on a mythical quality as he was a bit of a belligerent fellow, not wanting to deal with some people, adding a rarity to the whole proceedings. When he stopped selling the watches on the forums, he had a friend called Luckyyy who sold them in his place under the MBW banner. Luckyyy later ran off with a few members' money and disappeared.

Once more, MBW watches were impossible to get unless you knew a mysterious George, who was based in Greece and only dealt with people that he trusted, for one reason or another. He never openly advertised and people passed the password to his Photobucket around like the key to Pandora's Box, veiled in mystery and myth once more.

At this point, $450+, and a lot of legwork, would have got you one of these mythical 1680/1665 replicas until some upstart called Leonado posted the location of the mysterious stall in the MBK shopping centre and invited members to go blow the lid off the whole thing. He promised at one point that he would in fact become a dealer in MBWs.

(You may note at this point that Maria no longer has anything to do with proceedings and therefore the name MBW should no longer be used, but as mythical a name as that doesn't go away easily.)

I got the address and sent my brother, a Bangkok resident, a request to pick me up a couple of watches. I mentioned this and when I refused to set up shop, Leonado went on a witch hunt for reasons never adequately explained, but the upshot was that I was not willing to organise a group buy through my brother as he likes his residence/work visa and selling contraband, with the little experience he had, was simply not worth the risk.

In steps, at this point, the saviour of the rephound, TTK.

TTK sees that there is serious demand and decides that he will do a group buy, offering the hitherto unheard of price of $350 a watch. It was a great success and since then TTK has offered MBWs (even though they no longer should carry the name) as part of his regular range.

Any details about individual watches are mentioned in various threads throughout the forums. Enjoy your reading. :D

My not-from-Maria MBWs follow. Mods by yours truly.

Pre-mods 1665 and 1680 with the standard ETA 2836 movements.
bkkbest%20-%2004.jpg


Lightly Modded 1665:
1665-07-640.jpg


Heavily Modded 1680:
1680-04-800.jpg
 
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d4m.test

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Nice summary Pugs.....but let me explain one aspect.....I was approached on many occasions to source MBK (MBW) items...but steadfastly refused......it was only when you were coming under extreme pressure from board members for not stepping and supplying....I was approached by BMWRolex on RWG....to do a group buy...to which I acquiesced and the rest is history.....!

A further note of explanation for those who think that you can just waltz into MBK ask..."which shelf are the DRSD'S ON:..?.......and then expect to walk out with a fistful of vintage watches....nah ah....doesn't work that way.....they're made to order.....so take time to acquire.....if you order 5x Pateks for example.......a6x AP's.....and a bundle of Vintages.....he'll tell you he has them....but when you turn up......he's more likely not to have them all.....so you have to make a return journey.......PITA......!
 

pugwash

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TTK said:
Nice summary Pugs.....but let me explain one aspect.....I was approached on many occasions to source MBK (MBW) items...but steadfastly refused......it was only when you were coming under extreme pressure from board members for not stepping and supplying....I was approached by BMWRolex on RWG....to do a group buy...to which I acquiesced and the rest is history.....!
Thanks for the clarification. 8)

I'm glad you stepped up to the plate and removed the veil of myth that ensnared noobs left and right. It helps the hobby.
 

amk000

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..... did knew that George was from Greece !!!!!
When I bought from him had to do bank trasffer to Germany .... but again that does not really mean enything.
 

pugwash

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amk000 said:
..... did knew that George was from Greece !!!!!
When I bought from him had to do bank trasffer to Germany .... but again that does not really mean enything.
I could be wrong.
 

uppoo

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Thanks alot for the clarification. I guess we should all start to call "TTK" or "MBK" from now on. I'm a newbie, but please tell me is the MBK still much better than or popular dealer/mod expert such as Josh/Andrew or TWP/Vacuum?
 

pugwash

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Any decent modded vintage Rolex is probably started out as an MBW.
 

juanstar

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Thanks Pugs,

It's a very informative reading. I have always found all the things around the "MBW' watches very interesting, mostly because it's kind of mysterious.
In that sense, TTK is nicelly helping with the MBW's myth and I have to admit that I like it (rarity of the items/dealing process, ... everyboby knows about that).

I have been chasing that "greek George"

Once more, MBW watches were impossible to get unless you knew a mysterious George, who was based in Greece and only dealt with people that he trusted, for one reason or another. He never openly advertised and people passed the password to his Photobucket around like the key to Pandora's Box, veiled in mystery and myth once more.

I ended up finding his photobucket, but without the password, it became a dead end... I am really curious to know what is hidden in this bucket.
I also heard about a TTK photobucket but I don't know if it's true or another legend.

Anyway, I really like the idea of that Rare 1:1 perfect replica Factory hidden somewhere (even if everyboby knows it's not true). Only few people have access to it, items are produce in small amount, better quality than other Rep, etc, ...
Behind that what is really true? I don't know, but for sure it really makes me dream.

Thanks for the info again, very interesting topic.
 

uppoo

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PUG, I've the say yr TTK Subs look just like gen to me. Once again I've to say "Thank You" for the detailed "MBW" info. And I feel sad that the best high-end rep dealer - TTK is having a break now. :(

Although, I'm still at beginner level and "feeling", learning my way on rep collection. I look forward to join the high-end rep one day. :D
 

pugwash

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uppoo said:
PUG, I've the say yr TTK Subs look just like gen to me.
That's the idea. :D

All three here are from TTK, but one of them is not an MBW. I'll leave it as an exercise for the noobs to determine which one isn't MBW:
rolex-05-640.jpg
 

moggio

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I love this Myth story...and will see more what will it comeout with
 

Chamlor

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juanstar said:
I have been chasing that "greek George"

Once more, MBW watches were impossible to get unless you knew a mysterious George, who was based in Greece and only dealt with people that he trusted, for one reason or another. He never openly advertised and people passed the password to his Photobucket around like the key to Pandora's Box, veiled in mystery and myth once more.

I ended up finding his photobucket, but without the password, it became a dead end... I am really curious to know what is hidden in this bucket.
I also heard about a TTK photobucket but I don't know if it's true or another legend.

Anyway, I really like the idea of that Rare 1:1 perfect replica Factory hidden somewhere (even if everyboby knows it's not true). Only few people have access to it, items are produce in small amount, better quality than other Rep, etc, ...
Behind that what is really true? I don't know, but for sure it really makes me dream.

Thanks for the info again, very interesting topic.

There is no mystery as to 'George', quite easy to find...

MBW Contact (George)

Photo Album: http://watches-photogallery.com/

Password: best-watch

email: [email protected]


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d4m.test

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2004/2005 you got it for 180-240 us-dollar (buy on the spot) :shock:
at the beginning of the year 2007 for round about $ 280 (buy on the spot). :x

i have had read the latest mbw's don't take gen parts without case mods,
e.g. tube. is that correct?
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Ignatz

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For all those chasing the elusive MBW...you are walking down a path littered with broken hearts, empty bank accounts, scams, lies, and hard feelings...... :shock: Have a pleasant journey..... :wink: JMO

the mouse
 

hooligan

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316L said:
2004/2005 you got it for 180-240 us-dollar (buy on the spot) :shock:
at the beginning of the year 2007 for round about $ 280 (buy on the spot). :x

i have had read the latest mbw's don't take gen parts without case mods,
e.g. tube. is that correct?

The non-vintage MBK reps don't accept genuine parts, IIRC, only the vintage models. Vintage meaning that they are current production run replicas of old genuine watches, not that they are old stock themselves.

HTH
 
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d4m.test

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@ hooligan

thanks a lot.

what is the meaning of "IIRC"?

is the bezel construction at the vintage models a 1:1 copy of the genuine version anymore?
 

pugwash

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316L said:
2004/2005 you got it for 180-240 us-dollar (buy on the spot) :shock:
at the beginning of the year 2007 for round about $ 280 (buy on the spot). :x
On the spot, it's $220 today.

The only difference between now and 2004 is that the dollar sucks.