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Toolman12345

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10/12/10
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I hope this is the proper place to post this, please forgive me if it's not.

I am here to tell a story about watchsaleshop.com. I seek NO sympathy, I just want somebody else who searches for experience with this company to find my story, because when I searched, I found NO information about them at all.

Before I ordered from them, it crossed my mind to find a forum talking about replica watches. I found RWI, and while they weren't on the approved-vendor list, they also were NOT on the scammer list. I also looked at how long the domain had been around; it was created on 03-21-10, and I hoped that if they had been scamming people left and right over the course of 7 months there should be people talking about them, and there were not any to be found (via google).

I first fell in love with an exact model of replica, then found the cheapest one. Since the company wasn't on the scammer list, and the website showed the watch to be in stock, I ordered it. On 12-10-10.

12-11-10 - the company sent me an email saying the watch was NOT in stock, but they have one with a 7750 movement. That's when I figured out that I had probably ordered a 21j movement, and the super fancy lever for the chronograph would have been non-functional. (I wanted a Graham Chronofighter Overlord Mark III.) They didn't mention any price difference, but their site showed a $100 price difference.

Every time I asked a question, it took 1 or 2 days for them to answer. I know there is a HUGE time difference, but it was a bit frustrating.

And indeed, they wanted another $100 for the 7750 movement. We negotiated the price difference to me paying an additional $60, which I PayPal'd to them. (The initial payment was on my debit card.) I said either I'd pay another $60 or I just wanted my money back - they sent me a PayPal invoice for $60 and said they would take that. They assured me they had the one I wanted in a 7750 movement.

12-13-10, 2 days later they came back with a second picture of a completely different watch, and wanted to confirm that's what I wanted before they sent it. I sent them the first picture THEY had sent to ME, and said no, I want the exact 7750 they said they had in stock and that we agreed on a price for. They said okay, they understand and will "follow your idea".

12-16-10, they tell me the watch I want in the 7750 is too expensive, and they can't sell it for the price we agreed on, I either need to pay another $160, or they'll give me the watch I did not want or ask for and refund my extra $60 PayPal payment.

I won't keep going day by day. But we exchanged 76 emails from beginning to end. I asked about another watch on their site, asking if it really was a quartz like the description said, and they said no, it was not. I then concentrated on getting a refund, which at some point they had said they would do. Every time I asked about the refund, they assured me they had already refunded me, it would just take some time to update, please check my account later. First, they refunded $127 of my initial $136 on 12-28-10. Again I kept asking about my other $60, and told them they could keep the $9 difference, if they would just refund my other $60 PayPal payment. Every time I asked about it, they gave me the same story about it already having been done, and to check my account later. Finally, on 1-2-10, I got my other $60.

And I learned ALL sorts of lessons along the way. I noticed that EVERY watch on their site shows "in stock". And obviously the descriptions are not accurate - since I asked about a quartz watch - which they said was not quartz.

In the end, after some 4 weeks, I got all but $9 of my money back, so they are not complete and total scammers. I can't help but wonder if the 'company' isn't a few people in an apartment with a website, and when someone orders a watch they go find some place to buy it from. That would explain their site showing everything in stock, and how they kept telling me they had something in stock and then changing their story. I'll never know for sure. If you made it this far, thanks for reading, and sorry for such a long story.
 

trksh-bzr

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ok then, you got out with your pants on :)
this is however the wrong sub forum.

a mod or admin will move it

thanks for the story- and yet again our trusted dealers worth is prooven.
 

Pix

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You're lucky you got your money back.
Thx for sharing : that shows how important it is to stick to trusted dealers.
Not all scam sites are listed, but RWI's trusted dealer list is very clear.
 

guru

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I also see trusted dealers which say, In Stock. So be careful. It maybe in stock but then it is a drop shipment from the factory, and you never know what you get.
 

Toolman12345

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10/12/10
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I also see trusted dealers which say, In Stock. So be careful. It maybe in stock but then it is a drop shipment from the factory, and you never know what you get.

Thanks. I'd already planned on at least trying to confirm that a vendor HAD what I wanted in stock next time, BEFORE I ordered? I'll be trying that anyway.
 

wigglydog

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27/12/10
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Saw a couple watches on their site and decided to come here to RWI and see what I could find.

I think it's a no go....:thinking:
 

ThinkBachs

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9/2/09
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Try ReplicaMake.com- Lay is a good guy to deal with. :)
 

shandroid

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+1

I would also recommend Tony at asian7750.com as I've never had a drama with him - but he is NOT a trusted dealer.... It may be best to stick with one of the trusted dealers....
 

automatics

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In the end, after some 4 weeks, I got all but $9 of my money back, so they are not complete and total scammers. I can't help but wonder if the 'company' isn't a few people in an apartment with a website, and when someone orders a watch they go find some place to buy it from.

Since they provided you the refund. They're likely not scammers in the true sense, but incompetent suppliers. A true scammer would leave you with no more than $9 of your money back.

Since there's often no recourse once the money is out of the door. Take all the advice there is here, and go with trusted dealers. Even with the trusted dealers, ymmv & you should take time to go through their reviews/feedback.
 

RaymanS41

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]But we exchanged 76 emails from beginning to end.

Wow that's a lot of emails. I think I would've pulled out at 10 emails max. I've ordered custom scales for a knife that was based off my specs that took less than 10 emails.
 
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d4m.test

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Toolman:

Been there, done that, recounted for other RWI forum members so they would also learn and be aware. It takes guts to admit this and to share it; I admire you for your courage. Live, learn, and stay with RWI Trusted Dealers. You'll be in good hands.

dave
 

brtelec

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I am sure this was a true learning experience, but I can assure you this was by no means anywhere near as bad as it could have been. I had a harder time than this with a trusted dealer, who shall remain nameless, a couple of years ago. It seems that even some of the reasonably reputable dealers are rocket fast to take your money, but as slow as molasses in winter to refund it. Not all but some.

I am glad that you got out as well as you did.