Great news, some real good improvements here. But the additional regulator arm is an instant tell (just like in the 8500 / 8900 in my Aqua Terras). I wonder why VSF have added this obvious ‘flaw’ 
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VSF release 8800 Super clone Movement
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maybe it can be hidden under "fake" regulator arm?Great news, some real good improvements here. But the additional regulator arm is an instant tell (just like in the 8500 / 8900 in my Aqua Terras). I wonder why VSF have added this obvious ‘flaw’
This. To someone who knows what the movement kinda looks like (me, for example), this is a more obvious tell than the fake deco plate in the current one!Great news, some real good improvements here. But the additional regulator arm is an instant tell (just like in the 8500 / 8900 in my Aqua Terras). I wonder why VSF have added this obvious ‘flaw’
I prefer when the movements don't try to hide real regulator and beat adjuster under the balance bridge or under a fake hairspring stud. Making these two arms hidden just makes the job of regulation harder. Also, the less accessible the arms are, the higher the risk that a tool slips during regulation and damages the hairspring.
Let's be honest, if somebody is looking through the crystal caseback at the movement of my watch, I've already told them it's a rep. Your mileage may vary, but I'm not worried about fooling anybody, least of all those who know what they're looking for. These movements will never fool anybody, but that doesn't make them any less impressive feats of replication.
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Rep movements will never be like gen, and if they ever get close, they won’t stay as affordable as they are now.
Trying to pass a clone movement as gen is just silliness.
For most people, a clone movement allows them to use many gen parts—similar to the clone 4130—without modifying gen parts, which could otherwise devalue them.
What do you mean?
VS3235 when well lubricated is at least as good as swiss entry level movements - i would argue its even better.
because the alternative would be to use an actual free spring balance. but that would make the movement not very service friendly, because regulating it is much much more difficult than a sliding regulator, and it is still not a coaxial-movement. So even if you make the balance free, experts will still recognize itGreat news, some real good improvements here. But the additional regulator arm is an instant tell (just like in the 8500 / 8900 in my Aqua Terras). I wonder why VSF have added this obvious ‘flaw’
.Seems like is how the new VSF 8800 looks, at least the autowinding bridge. Pretty close to the gen i think. But they used some parts from off-the-shelf-movements. Similar to the 8500 "clone"
Don't expect too much interchangeable parts
Don't expect too much interchangeable parts
They have to, the regulation method requires an arm to hold the spring and a second regulator arm that can be moved to adjust the spring.Great news, some real good improvements here. But the additional regulator arm is an instant tell (just like in the 8500 / 8900 in my Aqua Terras). I wonder why VSF have added this obvious ‘flaw’
And it's not that they can't build a free sprung balance, it's that regulating it requires quite a lot of repeated dismantling, minute adjustment, reassembly and retesting.
Hence the fake Patek with a free sprung balance on that Wristcheck video (which is I presume a couple of thousand dollar Chazingtime special) is miles out, it's not that it can't be regulated, it's that it's 25% the cost of the watch to do so.
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