i especially love the way the custom hands and dial turned out...not to mention the rollie movement:
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Amazing all of the kudos he gets from Paneristi when in essence what he has is a fake watch. We don't get kudos for installing genuine movement and modding our fakes. We get our watches tied to a tree and shot. What hipocracy.
jfreeman420 said:
the above paneristi's watch don't have markings that says "panerai"... If you mod a rep but do not remove the trademark, it's a different story.
some of the mods like Enzo's for example, is arguably better than this and won't be considered a fake....
yep
i bookmarked that post a long time ago, when it was first posted for several reasons.
first, i liked how the project turned out...the guy was determined, so i admire him for that.
then, there was the hypocrisy...
if you mention replica, fake, hommage, rxw, mm20...if you are not one of the "in" paneristi brothers, you are shunned. and your post is censored like you're living in some facsist state. in fact, notice how this guy can't even mention RXW (he ashamedly says he bought and used the "IT" watch...and the RXW can be seen on the case back!), and yet what he ends up with is merely a more interesting RXW MM20 (which seems like he considers to be a rep, since he can't even say the word!).
having said all this, what he created is NOT a fake. i know enough about the law at least in the US to know that a fake means a counterfeit which means trying to pass off goods from one source (a rep factory) as from another (officine panerai).
this and the rxw are not fakes. there is no panerai brand or model number marking. this is an unmarked watch that says marina militare ("navy" in italian) on it. not a crime under the law. and considering how much hoorah there was for this guy, not a moral crime either at least as far as the paneristi are concerned. but who cares what they think.
as far as what i think, that's why i keep saying it: personally, i like unbranded watches like this that say MM on the dial. no panerai marking. then you can wear it with pride. and a hommage of a watch that's not made and only a few exist (which may not work/may be damaged)...well, that's great. but rep'ing a watch (like the 111H) that's currently available for sale....that's a fake no matter how you cut it. i'm guilty as charged of it!
but i'm really starting to shy away from those, and lean toward unbranded, hommage, vintage style watches that do NOT use the trademarks (panerai, luminor, luminor marina, radiomir) of another watch brand.
after all, i like the overall simply, large design, crown guard...not the words "panerai" or "luminor"...which trademarks, really.
by the way, i still think this guy did a GREAT job with his dial design and with his hands. i personally don't care how accurate it is relative to the original. i just think it looks really really good! the fat hands, the thin, not too large markers. not to worn look...just enough patina. very nice!! gotta give him credit, even if a hypocrit!
i bookmarked that post a long time ago, when it was first posted for several reasons.
first, i liked how the project turned out...the guy was determined, so i admire him for that.
then, there was the hypocrisy...
if you mention replica, fake, hommage, rxw, mm20...if you are not one of the "in" paneristi brothers, you are shunned. and your post is censored like you're living in some facsist state. in fact, notice how this guy can't even mention RXW (he ashamedly says he bought and used the "IT" watch...and the RXW can be seen on the case back!), and yet what he ends up with is merely a more interesting RXW MM20 (which seems like he considers to be a rep, since he can't even say the word!).
having said all this, what he created is NOT a fake. i know enough about the law at least in the US to know that a fake means a counterfeit which means trying to pass off goods from one source (a rep factory) as from another (officine panerai).
this and the rxw are not fakes. there is no panerai brand or model number marking. this is an unmarked watch that says marina militare ("navy" in italian) on it. not a crime under the law. and considering how much hoorah there was for this guy, not a moral crime either at least as far as the paneristi are concerned. but who cares what they think.
as far as what i think, that's why i keep saying it: personally, i like unbranded watches like this that say MM on the dial. no panerai marking. then you can wear it with pride. and a hommage of a watch that's not made and only a few exist (which may not work/may be damaged)...well, that's great. but rep'ing a watch (like the 111H) that's currently available for sale....that's a fake no matter how you cut it. i'm guilty as charged of it!
but i'm really starting to shy away from those, and lean toward unbranded, hommage, vintage style watches that do NOT use the trademarks (panerai, luminor, luminor marina, radiomir) of another watch brand.after all, i like the overall simply, large design, crown guard...not the words "panerai" or "luminor"...which trademarks, really.
by the way, i still think this guy did a GREAT job with his dial design and with his hands. i personally don't care how accurate it is relative to the original. i just think it looks really really good! the fat hands, the thin, not too large markers. not to worn look...just enough patina. very nice!! gotta give him credit, even if a hypocrit!
Re: yep
I agree 100% with panman8888...good statement I could not have said it better!This guy inspired me too and I think he did a great job against many road blocks..so I think he should be given credit where credit is due...this is a form of art, and although it resembles certain branded watches it in no way is...I started my first project watch because of this post..
His attitide with the post was to not "show off" but to share his experience and although he is not one of us , we should not judge him....some here love cloned gens and some love the vintage art..I prefer both..the paneristi love gens and they love the vintage art..I don't see where we can judge them.we can co-exist right??just because they shunn us ..why do we shunn them?..2 wrongs don't make a right...this is only my 2 cents..
Peace
panman8888 said:i bookmarked that post a long time ago, when it was first posted for several reasons.
first, i liked how the project turned out...the guy was determined, so i admire him for that.
then, there was the hypocrisy...
if you mention replica, fake, hommage, rxw, mm20...if you are not one of the "in" paneristi brothers, you are shunned. and your post is censored like you're living in some facsist state. in fact, notice how this guy can't even mention RXW (he ashamedly says he bought and used the "IT" watch...and the RXW can be seen on the case back!), and yet what he ends up with is merely a more interesting RXW MM20 (which seems like he considers to be a rep, since he can't even say the word!).
having said all this, what he created is NOT a fake. i know enough about the law at least in the US to know that a fake means a counterfeit which means trying to pass off goods from one source (a rep factory) as from another (officine panerai).
this and the rxw are not fakes. there is no panerai brand or model number marking. this is an unmarked watch that says marina militare ("navy" in italian) on it. not a crime under the law. and considering how much hoorah there was for this guy, not a moral crime either at least as far as the paneristi are concerned. but who cares what they think.
as far as what i think, that's why i keep saying it: personally, i like unbranded watches like this that say MM on the dial. no panerai marking. then you can wear it with pride. and a hommage of a watch that's not made and only a few exist (which may not work/may be damaged)...well, that's great. but rep'ing a watch (like the 111H) that's currently available for sale....that's a fake no matter how you cut it. i'm guilty as charged of it!
after all, i like the overall simply, large design, crown guard...not the words "panerai" or "luminor"...which trademarks, really.
by the way, i still think this guy did a GREAT job with his dial design and with his hands. i personally don't care how accurate it is relative to the original. i just think it looks really really good! the fat hands, the thin, not too large markers. not to worn look...just enough patina. very nice!! gotta give him credit, even if a hypocrit!
I agree 100% with panman8888...good statement I could not have said it better!This guy inspired me too and I think he did a great job against many road blocks..so I think he should be given credit where credit is due...this is a form of art, and although it resembles certain branded watches it in no way is...I started my first project watch because of this post..
His attitide with the post was to not "show off" but to share his experience and although he is not one of us , we should not judge him....some here love cloned gens and some love the vintage art..I prefer both..the paneristi love gens and they love the vintage art..I don't see where we can judge them.we can co-exist right??just because they shunn us ..why do we shunn them?..2 wrongs don't make a right...this is only my 2 cents..
Peace
Hell yes, you have to get this guy credit for spending countless of dollars and not to mention the year out of his life his obsession for this watch must have taken out of him. I'm sure he sleeps with this watch on.
Ok, now it's up to this forum to come up with an even better version rep than his for a fraction of the cost and time 8)
Ok, now it's up to this forum to come up with an even better version rep than his for a fraction of the cost and time 8)
It's a modded RWX, and we know they approve of them, almost. The only part with a brand on is the Rolex movement.jfreeman420 said:
This isn't the same as our reps - it's not pretending to be anything.
I bet this cost him less than you'd need to pay to make one of Enzo's Angelus babies.PannyLover1 said:
PannyLover1 said:
Worthy challenge. We already have some great efforts, enzo et al. The rollie mvmt would be nice to have, though DSN is getting there w/ his bridges.
with all due respect to
our own mod enthusiasts here, i really like what this guy did with the dial, hands, etc. the end product really is nice. in my opinion, nicer than 90%+ of the projects i've seen here, quite frankly
this is personal opinion: i find some of the vintage projects here too unbalanced: the markers/numbers are too large and thick (rxw mm20-like); or the patina on the dial/hands is too much -more damage than patina, like the watch has survived a nuclear war or the patina is not enough, or the plexi cyrstal is too bubbly and bulgy looking, or the font is too thin...
i have to hand it to this guy, the end product is very tasteful and balanced looking.
i support our own as much as anyone. but i see no reason to rip into this guy's project any more than we would an rwi poster's. if this was enzo or davidsen's post (same watch, same effort, same result), i fear that everyone would be cheering.
i like this place 'cause it's open to critique, to free speech. but i also like to think we're objective in our quest to get better reps, better vintage project results, etc. so i hope the praise and critique is always objective, and not just rooting for the home team and sh@#ting on the visiting team.
our own mod enthusiasts here, i really like what this guy did with the dial, hands, etc. the end product really is nice. in my opinion, nicer than 90%+ of the projects i've seen here, quite frankly
this is personal opinion: i find some of the vintage projects here too unbalanced: the markers/numbers are too large and thick (rxw mm20-like); or the patina on the dial/hands is too much -more damage than patina, like the watch has survived a nuclear war or the patina is not enough, or the plexi cyrstal is too bubbly and bulgy looking, or the font is too thin...
i have to hand it to this guy, the end product is very tasteful and balanced looking.
i support our own as much as anyone. but i see no reason to rip into this guy's project any more than we would an rwi poster's. if this was enzo or davidsen's post (same watch, same effort, same result), i fear that everyone would be cheering.
i like this place 'cause it's open to critique, to free speech. but i also like to think we're objective in our quest to get better reps, better vintage project results, etc. so i hope the praise and critique is always objective, and not just rooting for the home team and sh@#ting on the visiting team.
I'll agree that it's certainly a well done timepiece that shows an incredible investment of time, regardless of how much he ended up spending in the end. Quite apparently a "labor of love", and quite nicely executed.
However, I don't think it's any nicer than most of the pieces that Enzo has displayed here. Or some of Davidsen's models available (excepting the movement, of course).
I don't particularly care for the super short and fat hour hand, myself. Bottom line is this is a watch that is purporting to be a vintage piece, when it's not. How is that different from a rep, again?
The dial is nice, but is the extra cost he went to worth it when you or I could go out and buy one of Davidsen's new skinny cut-out MM dials? That's something only the individual can decide.
Different strokes for different folks, and that's A-OK by me. It's just not my bag of chips, is all.
So, to sum up, as nice a piece as I've ever seen done (not necessarily better or worse than other pieces shown here by Enzo, WM, et al), but not my thing in this case.
However, I don't think it's any nicer than most of the pieces that Enzo has displayed here. Or some of Davidsen's models available (excepting the movement, of course).
I don't particularly care for the super short and fat hour hand, myself. Bottom line is this is a watch that is purporting to be a vintage piece, when it's not. How is that different from a rep, again?
The dial is nice, but is the extra cost he went to worth it when you or I could go out and buy one of Davidsen's new skinny cut-out MM dials? That's something only the individual can decide.
Different strokes for different folks, and that's A-OK by me. It's just not my bag of chips, is all.
So, to sum up, as nice a piece as I've ever seen done (not necessarily better or worse than other pieces shown here by Enzo, WM, et al), but not my thing in this case.
Re: with all due respect to
I like this guy's work. Still, it would have been cheaper if he didn't have to use an RWX case.panman8888 said:
The patents are expired, though.enzo said:
You can copy the brevet aka twinlock as the patent expired.
ps. Putting the trademark on the CG is a cheat to try to extend the intellectual property rights.
Re: with all due respect to
Agreed on all points panman8888, this thread was rudely hijacked and turned into a Paneristi bashing session.
I'm sorry your kind intent to share and personal opinion was challenged and overlooked..I thought this board was a little friendlier esp. in the holiday season..so much hate for the Paneristi and disrespect for your thread..I happen to like this piece and the gentleman who started it. I also like DSN pieces for the price. Which he does get plenty of credit for here. but come on...
Like someone said here different strokes for different folks..IMHO the obnoxious attitude here is disturbing..Even more than the criticism of the Paneristi..They did not start this thread a respected contributing member did...
panman8888 said:
Agreed on all points panman8888, this thread was rudely hijacked and turned into a Paneristi bashing session.
I'm sorry your kind intent to share and personal opinion was challenged and overlooked..I thought this board was a little friendlier esp. in the holiday season..so much hate for the Paneristi and disrespect for your thread..I happen to like this piece and the gentleman who started it. I also like DSN pieces for the price. Which he does get plenty of credit for here. but come on...
Like someone said here different strokes for different folks..IMHO the obnoxious attitude here is disturbing..Even more than the criticism of the Paneristi..They did not start this thread a respected contributing member did...