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Underestimated PAM 366 Fu - review

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PAM 366 - the FU (?) was announced on August 2010 by Panerai. The reason for this watch seems to be that, after five successful years in the Chinese market, Panerai wants to show that it respects and understands the Chinese culture. Reception was rather mixed, since loyal Paneristi did not like the "departure" from Western design.

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The dial is known from other special editions: faux patina luminova and a bit different shapes of digits BUT there is the FU character (?) instead of 6. That's not the end - the caseback, on the contrary, was as ordinary as for any other Luminor. No special egravings etc.

The production was quite big as for special editions - according to the numbers found on the caseback - 1500 units were to be made. Price approx. $4400 - in other words, relatively high production / relatively low price as for SE.

Some quote from a review:

"The concept of the time-honored Chinese character Fu (good fortune or happiness) is explained in ancient Chinese writings in five aspects: longevity, prosperity, health, virtue and a well-ended life. People in China have been posting decorations of Fu (usually written on red paper) on their door fronts since the time of Southern Sung Dynasty. To others, the character speaks of ones best wishes; to oneself, it is an expression of the pursuit of happiness. Numerous set phrases with positive meanings consist of which and they signify the Chinese peoples aspiration after good lives. As time goes by, the meaning of Fu is further extended and expanded; yet, the posting tradition persists as the term never ceases to implicate being blessed and protected and having good fortune. Officine Panerai has therefore infused the character into the dial to create a perfect fusion of Chinese tradition elements and Italian classic design. It is also the wish of the brand that every wearer will receive this valuable blessing and be grateful."

Some people from Western countries, while being unable to read Chinese characters, quickly found out that ? characters resembles a person ...pushing overloaded shopping trolly. This can really represent prosperity for China since "the People's Republic of China getting wealthy by peddling consumer goods all across the globe". The original author of this character was truly a visionary, indeed ;)

Nice find about PAM 366 and its brother - PAM 367:

"(…)They actually made 2, the PAM00366 and PAM00367. The PAM00366 is the one you see here, a limited edition of 1,500 pieces. The other is the PAM00367. It is the same as the PAM00366 but instead of the 'FU' at the 6 o'clock position, you have the normal Arabic '6'. The PAM00367 is a limited edition run of 500 pieces. These watches were sold in the Panerai Boutique in Macau, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing and Taipei.

The major difference between these limited edition and the normal limited edition is that these did not come with the limited edition scroll, large box, extra strap and tool to change the strap. However they are one of the cheapest limited edition watches from Panerai. "

PAM 367 is not exactly like PAM 366 with 6 at the 6 o'clock position instead of ? - shapes of 12 and 3 on dials are different, too. Shapes on PAM 367 are of the same shape/thickness as has been used on all painted historic luminova dials (PAM000, PAM0005, etc.) while on PAM 366 font shapes are taken from special editions. One common point - faux patina lume.

Another interesting find:

"(…) Initially, the PAM366 should have a limited run of 1500pcs, with the "FU" wording but somehow, Panerai decided to manufacture only 1000 pcs and remaining 500pcs were replaced by the PAM367.

PAM366 = 1000
PAM367 = 500

So, a total of 1500 LE for the Greater China market.

But for the PAM366 you'll still see Mxxxx/1500 even though only 1000 were produced."

THAT'S IT, only 1000 pieces of PAM 366…"


Reception on Chinese market was probably quite lukewarm. One reviewer got it right: "If people in China want to buy watches made for the Chinese market, they have loads of local options. When they buy Panerai they want an Italian watch with an Italian or Swiss movement.".

Anyway, watches were sold and are quite rare to appear on aftermarket with a price tag around $7000.

In rep-world it was 1:1 repped only by H-maker. Wasn't recognized attractive enough by Noob to rep it. It is going to be rare rep, too ;)

For me it has that "something". I had an opportunity to spend almost a year in Taipei - it reminds me about this adventure. For some time after this period I really felt like "hanging" between two cultures. I got the rep since I am going to purchase a gen of this watch next month (small trip to Taiwan, again). Expect gen vs rep comparison, if everything will go just fine. Dealing with reps will have an additional benefit when I get back from Taipei - "of course this is a rep, Honey!" will be believable ;)


Now to photos:

Some GENs:

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Comparison photo of 366, 367 and 000. You can observe patina lume and changes in font shapes:
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Well, worth looking perspective: if you see someone sitting next to you, the dial of his watch is likely to be observed upside down. I found 366 dial to be most interesting that way:
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About the rep:

This should be considered super rep. Some pictures as taken by TD (piece of paper indicates GEN):
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This is why I expect there are shortage of this rep now - my watch came with an 'asso' strap instead of the original black with creamy stich. I don't care but it is a sign of full package completion problems at least.
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…and some garden photos ;) It is VERY hard to reproduce faux patina color. When non light charged it looks more like pumpkin than what you see on the photos. Mind that when you pick up Your 366 ;)

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005, 366 and 243
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"Lume Brothers" ;)
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And an obligatory wrist shot.
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I found this watch (with patina lume) to go very well with all natural colors like brown etc. Looks better than on black straps.
 

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The case is that the 366 IS a super rep! Nice review Polonus, have a wonderful trip to Taipei! Looking forward to seeing the comparison shots if you get the gen. Which is also a rep;)
 

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Hi PolonusTM
Very interesting Thread.
Very curious the numeral's differences
I'm going to include the link and info in PAM366 and 367 of my thread PAM REVIEW-GUIDE. (...)And perhaps it will be interesting too start a Poll to upgrade them to Super reps. I will see it.
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Glad You like the review. Curious thing is that the faux patina IS spot on with the gen. It is just difficult to take a photo ot if where camera software is going to damage the color (looks like camera likes to see the patina lume in a bit different way than we, humans, used to perceive). When looking on the lume on the watch and then on the photo You just have taken - it is no match. It is lighter on the photos.
 

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Great post, thanks :)

Except now I want one again after I'd talked myself out of it... :facepalm: :lol:
 

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Ooh, just to check...

... is it just the light, or are the hands and dial lume mismatched slightly?

I think they probably all are on the reps, I know my 112M is not perfect, but it's hard to spot on the wrist!
 

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Ooh, just to check...

... is it just the light, or are the hands and dial lume mismatched slightly?

I think they probably all are on the reps, I know my 112M is not perfect, but it's hard to spot on the wrist!

It depends on the light BUT yes, they are a bit different. Hands' lume is a bit into green.
 

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One interesting watch I missed :-(
Being a very good rep and focused to the big chinese market, I guess the batch lasted only a few days (Noob & Hfac)
Any one knows if new batches available after 2012-2013?
Any differences/inconsitences on new batches (if exist)?
 

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One interesting watch I missed :-(
Being a very good rep and focused to the big chinese market, I guess the batch lasted only a few days (Noob & Hfac)
Any one knows if new batches available after 2012-2013?
Any differences/inconsitences on new batches (if exist)?

There is a new model from H maker from February 2015 fitted with the new H maker caseset 2105
Nicely finished and improved but with sharper edges and sharper transition edges on bezel (bezel base a few higher)
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2183-pam366-m-fu-1-1-noob-factory-edition-on-black-leather-strap.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13037

Anyway this version would be over the previous ones

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There is a new model from H maker from February 2015 fitted with the new H maker caseset 2105
Nicely finished and improved but with sharper edges and sharper transition edges on bezel (bezel base a few higher)
http://www.intime.co/panerai/2183-pam366-m-fu-1-1-noob-factory-edition-on-black-leather-strap.html
http://www.ttw8488.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=13037

Anyway this version would be over the previous ones

ALE

Thanks [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION]

I prefer the black leather strap option, I do not see that watch on as asso.
 

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Hi guys, im newbie in this rep world. Im trying to learn little by little.

I just bought this PAM 366 FU from my friend, is the NOOB factory also has some grade within their line? i mean like bad grade, medium grade, best clone grade, and how to differentiate?
I recognize mine is NOOB when i read ALE explain the different between each factory. (NOOB, Yandex, H Maker).

several things that disturb me over this Noob production:
1. Crown Guard is a bit loose, is it normal?
2. The Sapphire Glass didnt pass water polarity test, but did pass over diamond tester device, is that OK? after that i began to complain for small things like: i notice there is no AR colourless coating for the sapphire
3. and every other detail thing (cuz i read ALE post for some detail thing for this PAM)

i am so and very interesting to replace the dial with the H Maker which more resemble like Gen.
also id like to replace the crown bcause i noticed the crown guard loose because some defect crown, compared to another PAM 111 Rep's crown. The depthness of the crown PAM 366 FU is a little bit deeper than PAM 111 Rep's Crown.
is that possible?