Tudor Pelagos with Swiss ETA 2824-2

[nowipaco]

Hey guys,
I've read in a couple of spots that are dead threads in the forums that people have swiss ETA movements in their rep Pelagos.
I've spent a lot of time looking all over the internet via google trying to find somewhere to buy a GEN ETA 2824-2 from Tudor, but have had absolutely no luck finding the movement for sale anywhere.
Also, I've checked most of the TD sites to see if I could find a Pelagos that they would ship to me with the ETA already installed, but no dice with this idea either.
I have been able to find some ETA movements on Ebay, but i would really like a genuine one if possible.

Lastly, I would also like to know how difficult it might be for me to just buy the rep and then buy the ETA on eBay and install it myself. I have no watchsmith-ing experience, but plenty of experience working on the tiny insides of iPhones.

Any help or advice from the community would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.

 

[JSwatch]

I was lucky to buy a genius Tudor modified ETA on the chinese www.taobao.com and there is more for sale there. i payed around 278 US$. My very clever friend diassembled, cleaned,lubricated and install it in my pelagos. The A2824 movement there was in the watch, actally run more accurate so we change to the asian movement again. When the Tudor ETA is adjusted and run accurate and stable, I will insall it again. You can see the difference on the Gen Tudor on the place to adjust the movement. Here Tudor use different system compared to bot the Swiss ETA as well as the A2824.
I need to say, that that the A2824 movement is vey nice decorated, very close to the Gen Tudor ETA and have untill now, been very accurate +2 sec/day and very stabel on +2sec. The Tudor modified ETA movement is only in the first pelagos model called the 2 liner and my pelagos from ZF is the new 5 liner, so it's actualy not the original movement for this model, but it is for the old 2 liner model. (I can live with that)
The 3 first photos is the gen Tudor and the fourth picture is the A2824 movement the watch come with from ZF.

 

[nowipaco]

Thank you very much for the informative response. Any idea of the comparison of reliability between the Asian and Swiss movement 2824 in you opinion? Also, why do you think that the Asian movement might actually be keeping better time?

 

[pompompurin]

I was lucky to buy a genius Tudor modified ETA on the chinese www.taobao.com and there is more for sale there. i payed around 278 US$. My very clever friend diassembled, cleaned,lubricated and install it in my pelagos. The A2824 movement there was in the watch, actally run more accurate so we change to the asian movement again. When the Tudor ETA is adjusted and run accurate and stable, I will insall it again. You can see the difference on the Gen Tudor on the place to adjust the movement. Here Tudor use different system compared to bot the Swiss ETA as well as the A2824.
I need to say, that that the A2824 movement is vey nice decorated, very close to the Gen Tudor ETA and have untill now, been very accurate +2 sec/day and very stabel on +2sec. The Tudor modified ETA movement is only in the first pelagos model called the 2 liner and my pelagos from ZF is the new 5 liner, so it's actualy not the original movement for this model, but it is for the old 2 liner model. (I can live with that)
The 3 first photos is the gen Tudor and the fourth picture is the A2824 movement the watch come with from ZF.
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i was thinking of doing the EXACT same thing as you did
but I am waiting to see if sead can source a 2-liner pelagos first
either that or fork out 4x the price of this project cost and buy gen

 

[JSwatch]

First I'm not expert, but all my watches with Aeta movement has always been very stable, never had hugh problems. i have one Submariner with A2836 there is 5 years old and still run perfect and compared to my gen Submariner, the accuricity is more and less the same. I don't think Asian movement normally keep better time, in this case here, I think the Tudor eta, just need adjustment, then this will also run good.
My point is, that I have not seen big differnecies on gen ETA and Asian eta movements and from my point of view, there should not be any reason to pay more for the standard Swiss eta, then I would go for the Asian 2824. The gen Tudor modified ETA is for me just to have the "gen movement". Tudor modifiy small details and make a nice surface decoration, so this is only to know you have this movement insite. No one nevver see it and you can't fool any Tudor watch smith anyway.

 

[pompompurin]

Another thing to consider is, you bought it from taobao
I have seen so many fake shure SE215 and SE525 on taobao that seems to be made out of genuine OEM shell
The ETA movements from taobao is relatively cheap and it scares me - no matter if they keep saying '??' in their product page. But if I know a way of ordering taobao from Hong Kong, I wouldn't mind giving them a try

 

[ssouthall6]

If people have pelagos with Swiss movement it's most likely they bought the movement and changed it over like I did.


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[nowipaco]

News! I've been in contact with Puretime and they have informed that I can place an order for the Pelagos to come directly from them with an ETA 2824-2 already installed for an extra $180.

Do you guys think this is a reasonable price?
I really am just looking for reliability over a very long period of time, and ease of service/repair by any local watchsmith.
I just want to make sure that my motivation to get the ETA is correct and makes sense.

I don't really care about the look of the movement, reliability is the number one motivation.
At some point I could just buy a Tudor rotor for $25 from somewhere if I really cared.

 

[Rx4Time]

Buy a rep Pelagos from a TD here, buy a generic aka non branded but still brand new ETA 2824 from Otto Frei or cousins and have it installed. Best way as you know you have a solid new movement, not one that was pulled and replaced for some unknown reason. Every piece I've done this with runs very stable...+/- couple of seconds per week.

http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html

http://www.startimesupply.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ETA2824-2W

 

[ssouthall6]

I wouldn't do that personally


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[nowipaco]

Buy a rep Pelagos from a TD here, buy a generic aka non branded but still brand new ETA 2824 from Otto Frei or cousins and have it installed. Best way as you know you have a solid new movement, not one that was pulled and replaced for some unknown reason. Every piece I've done this with runs very stable...+/- couple of seconds per week.

Okay, I am going to take your advice and do this exactly. I do not want the two liner model. I want the newer style of Pelagos.
That being said, should I go V6F or ZF in the blue model? I believe the ZF is superior, but I want to make sure.
Since I'm swapping the movement, I just want to make sure I get the most accurate rep.

 

[Rx4Time]

Okay, I am going to take your advice and do this exactly. I do not want the two liner model. I want the newer style of Pelagos.
That being said, should I go V6F or ZF in the blue model? I believe the ZF is superior, but I want to make sure.
Since I'm swapping the movement, I just want to make sure I get the most accurate rep.

Ahh the ongoing debate. This I cannot answer as there is debate for both sides. Mine is an older two lines model. Let's just say the stock movement is solid, so I would only swap the movement if it's not running well. Mine was regulated to + 3 seconds daily with the Asian clone movement... almost as good as my ETA movements. The swap will cost about$300 all in, so I'd put it off, make sure the watch will remain a long term keeper before doing anything.

 

[nowipaco]

Ahh the ongoing debate. This I cannot answer as there is debate for both sides. Mine is an older two lines model. Let's just say the stock movement is solid, so I would only swap the movement if it's not running well. Mine was regulated to + 3 seconds daily with the Asian clone movement... almost as good as my ETA movements. The swap will cost about$300 all in, so I'd put it off, make sure the watch will remain a long term keeper before doing anything.

Yeah, I may just wear the watch for a month or so and make sure I love it as much as I thought I would. If the movement is very accurate, I may just keep it stock until I run into some sort of issue. Then at that point I can just swap the movement to ETA and will have saved the money in the mean time. I appreciate all of the help very much! I do wish that there were more people committed to perfecting the Tudor models the same way people have obsessed over the Submariner and the DSSD. I am in pursuit of having the best Pelagos I can get my hands on, I hope to make whatever mods necessary in the near future.

 

[Rx4Time]

Yeah, I may just wear the watch for a month or so and make sure I love it as much as I thought I would. If the movement is very accurate, I may just keep it stock until I run into some sort of issue. Then at that point I can just swap the movement to ETA and will have saved the money in the mean time. I appreciate all of the help very much! I do wish that there were more people committed to perfecting the Tudor models the same way people have obsessed over the Submariner and the DSSD. I am in pursuit of having the best Pelagos I can get my hands on, I hope to make whatever mods necessary in the near future.

Some have inconsistent lume, so you may end up needing to address that if it really irritates you. Below is mine. Look at the 4 in 40, and the line between 20 and 30 and you can see the incomplete fill. It's out for other things now (2AR crystal) and then I'll decide if I wish to address the lume. Thus far I have not, so I most likely will not. Up until it went out, it was my primary daily wear watch. I look forward to it's return.

 

[nowipaco]

Thank you for pointing out those inconsistencies in the lume. I’ll watch for that in QC. Still, that thing looks beautiful lumed up in the dark.

 

[miami_YG]

Other than not keeping time well, you may choose to swap out if the rotor is too loud or its ticking too loud. Depends on how much you want to spend but the cost of servicing/replacing parts if sent to a modder you may as well spend more and get a gen ETA from Ofrei or from M2M here.

I will say, after putting together a franken datejust as a first time project, it's best to practice swapping out movements, etc. on a less modern watch than the Pelagos if you're new to this (i.e., it looks like it may be easy to scratch dial/hands in a noticeable way).

 

[Smpfan]

IMO it does not make any sense swapping A2824. I've got a blue V6F Pelagos with regulated and serviced A2824. It's running so well and stable in COSC specs. Why changing for a gen standard eta if you haven't got any issues? If you can get your hands on a top eta or COSC eta it's another thing. But they're expensive.


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[nowipaco]

IMO it does not make any sense swapping A2824. I've got a blue V6F Pelagos with regulated and serviced A2824. It's running so well and stable in COSC specs. Why changing for a gen standard eta if you haven't got any issues? If you can get your hands on a top eta or COSC eta it's another thing. But they're expensive.


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What would be the approximate cost for me to get the A2824 serviced, in your experience?

 

[pompompurin]

News! I've been in contact with Puretime and they have informed that I can place an order for the Pelagos to come directly from them with an ETA 2824-2 already installed for an extra $180.

Do you guys think this is a reasonable price?
I really am just looking for reliability over a very long period of time, and ease of service/repair by any local watchsmith.
I just want to make sure that my motivation to get the ETA is correct and makes sense.

I don't really care about the look of the movement, reliability is the number one motivation.
At some point I could just buy a Tudor rotor for $25 from somewhere if I really cared.

Will you get to keep the original A2824-2 movement once you have puretime switch the movement into an ETA 2824-2?

If not, then an extra $180 seems expensive, considering that they will keep the existing A2824-2 movement as well

A2824-2 movement = $60? Market value
Eta 2824-2 upgrade = add $180 extra
Assumed cost of the eta 2824-2 movement from upgrade = (60+180) $240

Startime sells ETA 2824-2 separately for $170 I believe. If you buy from there, you will have the original A284-2 movement as well and it's cheaper

 

[nowipaco]

Will you get to keep the original A2824-2 movement once you have puretime switch the movement into an ETA 2824-2?

If not, then an extra $180 seems expensive, considering that they will keep the existing A2824-2 movement as well

A2824-2 movement = $60? Market value
Eta 2824-2 upgrade = add $180 extra
Assumed cost of the eta 2824-2 movement from upgrade = (60+180) $240

Startime sells ETA 2824-2 separately for $170 I believe. If you buy from there, you will have the original A284-2 movement as well and it's cheaper

I really appreciate this perspective. I hadn’t thought of it like that. I will get both movements for less cost overall. Good piece of advice.

Does anybody have any experience trying to up the lume on any of these pelagos?


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