Top to Bottom Centered Lever??

[skcheng]

Hey Guys,

I recently noticed that "most" of the reps produce CGs with the lever offset towards the top of the watch. Davidsen's are centered from top to bottom. I checked out some recent gen photos and the lever seems to be centered. Can anyone shed some light as to which models/years had centered vs. offset levers?

Thank!!

 

[babola]

Gens, reps and DSNs 44mm historics with lever pointing upwards all have lever pin slightly off-centered towards the top of the CG, or direction of the lever latch.

Trust me mate, I've got an eye for these things

cheers,
babola

 

[hooligan]

Babola, I think he's talking about the lever being centered on the CG top to bottom if the watch is laid flat, not top to bottom if you're looking at the watch face. Does that make sense?

Here's a pic stolen from ssalxpanerai in 007's thread

 

[babola]

Babola, I think he's talking about the lever being centered on the CG top to bottom if the watch is laid flat, not top to bottom if you're looking at the watch face. Does that make sense?

Duh...early morning...no coffee yet...anyway...in that case 'skcheng' is correct in his evaluation, to which I will add just a few notes if I may.

Davidsen's CG/lever config replicates to a degree older pre-Vendome 'fat brushed' CG with centered lever. Vendome era 44mm historics all came with thinner polished CG and lever off-centered towards the top of the CG.

Actually it wasn't the lever that was "moved" towards the top of the CG on polished CGs, it's the fact the top of the CG design was changed to a rounder shape, resulting in lever appearing visually "pushed" towards the top...where the lever actually didn't move at all.

The latest Vendome historic series G,H and I, have inherited the original pre-Vendome fat brushed CG and 'centered' lever design, although the overal CG dimensions are slightly smaller than those found on 201/A for example. I canme us with this conclusion after laying the flat pics of 201/A and 111H on top of each other - the CG on 201/A was slightly wider and longer (basically 'beefier') than 111H one...but I could be wrong.

cheers,
babola

 

[skcheng]

Okay......so G/H/I series have centered levers. I get it. I was surprised when my DVS 111H had the lever centered perfectly and my 177H is offset. But then I noticed that JimmyFu and all of the other rep manufacturers had the offset lever, with some more than others.

Then I got more confused when all of the recent GEN pictures show a centered lever.

So now I get it!! Thanks!!

 

[CISO1969]

Would Davidsen's CG be the most accurate for a Pam 111 or Pam 112 considering Jimmy Fzu CG's are extremely hard to find?

Any thoughts?

CISO

 

[skcheng]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

 

[babola]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

Jimmy Fu's CG and case are 1:1 copy of PAM001 gen watch.
The CG is "thin" one, and hictorically correct on all pre-A, A, B, C, D, E and F series 44mm Marina and Base models.
Thin CG was replaced with "fat" one on G series of aforementioned models.
Thin CG is however still current on PAM autos, and most of the recent Subs.

cheers,
babola

 

[hk45ca]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

the pin in the crown guard isn't always flush with the top of the crown. here is a picture of a gen 195 from tz that sold for 11,900.00. my 195 davidsen pin was exactly like this right out of the box. i made a small punch and made mine flush before i found this picture. lol

also the thickness of the crown depends on the functions of the watch. allot of people think that a 192 is supposed to have a thick crown and if it did you wouldn't be able to pull it out far enough to work all of the functions. only the uncomplicated versions have a thick crown.

 

[ssalxpanerai]

All are very nice information. The CG and lever vary from model to model. Here is the photo of gen 201a and Pre-V Pam002.



So I think we have to be specific for each model to pin point the CG and position of lever.

 

[hk45ca]

All are very nice information. The CG and lever vary from model to model. Here is the photo of gen 201a and Pre-V Pam002.



So I think we have to be specific for each model to pin point the CG and position of lever.

exactly, i can't tell you how mant times i have seen people complain that a specific crown is too thin when it is just fine. it depends on the watch year and model.

 

[skcheng]

Wow......I guess I'm so accustomed to looking at the newer models from the past 2-3 yrs. And specifically the models that I own which are the 111H and the 177H. Now I realize that each model is truly specific. Maybe Officine Panerai sources their CGs from the same sources as the Rep companies

I've learned so much more about the details, dials, movements, and dimensions of Panerai on this forum in two weeks than in two years of reading and viewing the gen sites!!

So the Palp crown is actually too thick in comparison to the equivalent gen??

Very cool information!! Thanks!!

 

[skcheng]

Jimmy Fu's CG and case are 1:1 copy of PAM001 gen watch.
The CG is "thin" one, and hictorically correct on all pre-A, A, B, C, D, E and F series 44mm Marina and Base models.
Thin CG was replaced with "fat" one on G series of aforementioned models.
Thin CG is however still current on PAM autos, and most of the recent Subs.

cheers,
babola[/quote]


Hey Babs,

You are the true PAM historian!!! Is there a photo editorial on this type of stuff? Or did you research every little detail on each year/model? I'm really fascinated by info that you present and I need to search through your various posts!! I'm somewhat of an OCD detail freak and I get most of my fun from the research end of things. Learning is what keeps me ticking!!!

I guess I need to buy some GENs (being here actually increased my desire to purchase GENs....not the opposite) from various years and then have fun duplicating them :twisted:

Did you post anywhere on your fave PAM models?? Looks like the new upcoming crop of REPs are the best yet. And less expensive to boot!!

Thanks!!! You da man!!

 

[vaccum]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

the pin in the crown guard isn't always flush with the top of the crown. here is a picture of a gen 195 from tz that sold for 11,900.00. my 195 davidsen pin was exactly like this right out of the box. i made a small punch and made mine flush before i found this picture. lol

also the thickness of the crown depends on the functions of the watch. allot of people think that a 192 is supposed to have a thick crown and if it did you wouldn't be able to pull it out far enough to work all of the functions. only the uncomplicated versions have a thick crown.

111h and 177h should have the thicker crown? Palp current crown is 2.1mm vs. 2.0mm he did first time....the 2.1mm was the most requested by the members.

 

[hk45ca]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

the pin in the crown guard isn't always flush with the top of the crown. here is a picture of a gen 195 from tz that sold for 11,900.00. my 195 davidsen pin was exactly like this right out of the box. i made a small punch and made mine flush before i found this picture. lol

also the thickness of the crown depends on the functions of the watch. allot of people think that a 192 is supposed to have a thick crown and if it did you wouldn't be able to pull it out far enough to work all of the functions. only the uncomplicated versions have a thick crown.

111h and 177h should have the thicker crown? Palp current crown is 2.1mm vs. 2.0mm he did first time....the 2.1mm was the most requested by the members.

i don't know what a gen crown measures for the different models. i think all of the 44mm base and sec @9 have a thick crown because you only pull 1 click to set the time so it doesn't require as much room as say, a 192.

 

[vaccum]

That makes sense.
Also I have seen CG too close to the case that when you pull the "thin" crown to the time setting position it will touch the CG :shock:

 

[skcheng]

Davidsens CG is very nice. But I don't know if it's 1:1, and the lever pin is smaller than the GEN. In fact, all of the reps lack in this regard. Look at the CG on the GEN and you'll see a center lever pin that is finished perfectly flush with the rest of the CG. And the pin is wider than the one on the Davidsen.

Jimmy's CG is supposedly 1:1. But I don't like the fact that the lever itself is offset to towards the top of the dial.

I think proportions are the most important. I like the look of the thicker crown. A thin rep crown is a dead giveaway.

skc

the pin in the crown guard isn't always flush with the top of the crown. here is a picture of a gen 195 from tz that sold for 11,900.00. my 195 davidsen pin was exactly like this right out of the box. i made a small punch and made mine flush before i found this picture. lol

also the thickness of the crown depends on the functions of the watch. allot of people think that a 192 is supposed to have a thick crown and if it did you wouldn't be able to pull it out far enough to work all of the functions. only the uncomplicated versions have a thick crown.


That looks like a REP :lol:

I scoured over several pages of GENs, both current and historic and it stills seems to me that "most" of the pin levers are flush to the CG. And not only on the top of the CG, but on the bottom. Also, they all appear thicker in diameter than the REP pins. To my eyes, the perfectly finished pin just looks a lot better!! But I do see how fit/finish varied on the GENs. Possibly more than on the REPS LOLOLOL