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Titanium Vs Stainless Steel Pams

Antroz_50

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Hey guys, was trawling through the pams I have acquired and realised I have no titanium models

ive always been curious as to how good the titanium in reps are, in terms of durability and longevity versus their stainless steel counterparts

it is my understanding that they are softer and therefore scratch easier, but are easier to almost buff out or hide the scratches. They also have a darker appearance and are more lightweight, is there anything else I am missing?

And as general question do you prefer the titanium pams over the stainless steel ones?
 

shyreplover

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Titanium rep is on par with the SS, both are durable as long as you don't beat the crap out of it.
Titanium tend to scratch easier than SS but as they oxidize (turns darker) the scratches will "disappear".
It's personal preference: SS PAM is shiny and got some weight, titanium PAM is light and not shiny at all.
 
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Hello!

- Titanium is almost always satin finish, and looks much darker than satin steel. This has a very clear aesthetic effect.
- I will not compare polished steel with satin-finished titanium, it is simply not correct.
- If the titanium is polished, for example on the bezels of models such as PAM351 or PAM346, then the polishing quality is worse, because the metal is softer, and the shine disappears faster and is more difficult to return.
- The thread on screw rods fails and fails much more often than on steel ones. People have different examples, but the internal thread is killed on half of my old tiatne bettarini if you like to change the straps often, not once every half a year.
- Since the models can be different, the size proportions of the parts are different, and even the same models are made by different manufacturers from the same material with a slightly smaller mass, I can’t give you an exact recipe for how much titanium is lighter.
Movement, dial, crystal, even hands, and in the end, the strap that you have on your wrist, this is all that does not vilify the difference in the mass of titanium and steel watches, even if you have completely identical models of the same factory from different metals on your wrist.
But let me give you some examples:
The titanium PAM089 from HF weighs 92g without strap or bars, while the steel PAM297 from NOOB without bracelet and rods weighs 125 g
Titanium Chronograph PAM326 from NOOB weighs only 90 g, behind the head, while The PAM250, which has a slightly different case and pusher structure, weighs 125g.
- In the case of SUBMERSIBLES it's still much more difficult, I'll just say that the head of the titanium PAM569 still weighs 125g.
- As for scratches: yes, titanium is softer, yes it scratches, it is easier, yes, scratches are not so noticeable. But at the same time, this one is not like polished steel, on which cobwebs appear while it lies on a shelf.
- In any case, you can fix small flaws in the finish of both steel and titanium yourself. Serious - no.

Two factors are important:
- How do you use your watch? I saw a PAM299 brushed steel that looked like it was in a nail box, although the owner says he just uses it. At the same time, I know a man who has a lot of titanium watches that look exactly the same as when he bought them, although he wears them all and regularly.
- And the second is the appearance. Titanium looks dull, inconspicuous. More often instrumental and not catchy. This is a different look. Understand that you want to go on your wrist, or better yet, try it.

In any case, good luck.
 

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Ti luminor cases certainly feel a lot different on the wrist than the SS, though I like them both. Obviously the Ti case is significantly lighter and slightly more comfortable because of it, however the 'presence' of the SS on the wrist caused by its weight is also probably something that drew us all to the brand and feels just right.

My favorite Ti models have the tobacco dial (036, 351, 346, 240 etc) - the contrast between the dark tone of the Ti against the greyish brown dial is a very classy combination IMO.

I haven't had any issues with excessive scratching from normal use.

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Antroz_50

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KOT1917 you raise a very interesting point about the threads for the lug screws, this is something I did not consider as I do like to change the straps on the watches depending on occasion or time of year, it is one of the reasons why I like the PAMs so much, their ability to suit almost any occasion thanks to their compatibility with different straps. it is safe to assume the titanium in these reps will be of lower quality than their genuine counterparts



Also thankyou to the others who have shared their insight into titanium pams too, It has been interesting reading your comments, especially if you have also noticed any wear on your case lug screw holes (if that's the correct terminology)
 

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KOT1917 you raise a very interesting point about the threads for the lug screws, this is something I did not consider as I do like to change the straps on the watches depending on occasion or time of year, it is one of the reasons why I like the PAMs so much, their ability to suit almost any occasion thanks to their compatibility with different straps. it is safe to assume the titanium in these reps will be of lower quality than their genuine counterparts



Also thankyou to the others who have shared their insight into titanium pams too, It has been interesting reading your comments, especially if you have also noticed any wear on your case lug screw holes (if that's the correct terminology)

I can change straps several times a day. Titanium is softer, secondly, it can be processed worse, thirdly, in the case of rep it is always rougher. As a conclusion, I often jammed, I gave too much effort, etc.

Just as a fact, it is less reliable, but you will not put a neat and measured collector into a dead end. Everything will be fine. And if not, there are always spring bars.
 

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Agree with Woundup , most, ksk gen (let's not talk about it nowPAM368, PAM797, PAM619, PAM311, PAM345, etc), and rep combinations of titanium work best with a tobacco dial. The black hands are very nice, the gold ones add elegance that titanium watches usually lack:
PAM036, PAM061, PAM056, PAM057, PAM240, PAM346, PAM351, PAM560, PAM562, PAM1351, for example.

But don't forget the more exotic pairing with vertical brushed dials: PAM089, PAM091, PAM106, PAM170 and of course PAM082.

I think that every PANERAI fan should try steel, titanium, bronze, ceramic, carbotech, and if possible, gold.

There are a lot of options, the lineup is endless, experiment.
 

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I really like my PAM061. The Ti is a nice contrast to my other (mostly SS) PAMs.
 
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I have the PAM 719 in Ti and it is very comfortable to wear despite its size. The Ti definitely makes it more wearable and less “noticeable on the wrist as it’s less porky. Can wear it all day in comfort and so far it’s been quite resilient to minor surface scuffs etc…
 

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loving my Ti PAMs, for some reason I prefer Ti more than SS



 

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Good, I especially appreciate the PAM240 (I didn’t have it), but PAM222 - steel, just brushed steel.
 

Antroz_50

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I also wanted to clarify, I saw one some watch forums about titanium watches with titanium casebacks (in general) should be unscrewed every now and then to stop the titanium essentially welding itself together? I think they called it Galling?

I’ve not heard this before so just wanted to check
 
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Good, I especially appreciate the PAM240 (I didn’t have it), but PAM222 - steel, just brushed steel.

Oh i thought 222 is with Ti case, no wonder it felt heavier, thanks for clearing that up
 
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Sorry to be that guy, but you will need both titanium and steel PAMs in your collection soon or later :) I've been hunting for a titanium Radiomir and another titanium Luminor for a while, have only the 082. Every time I wear it it feels like I have something strange on my wrist, the weight is not there but I kinda like it, especially on one of those Erika straps during summer.
 

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A great example is that when the finishes of titanium and steel are the same(although it has become so over the years, and not like on PAM106 right away) , it is not possible to notice this under any type of lighting.
 
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Antroz_50

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Sorry to be that guy, but you will need both titanium and steel PAMs in your collection soon or later :) I've been hunting for a titanium Radiomir and another titanium Luminor for a while, have only the 082. Every time I wear it it feels like I have something strange on my wrist, the weight is not there but I kinda like it, especially on one of those Erika straps during summer.

I think you’re right, I’ve caught the Panerai bug haha! Hopefully got a Radiomir in the pipeline and think I’m going to have to cop a titanium Luminor, I tell myself just one more PAM but I know there will be another I want next week!
 
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