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Timegrapher results?

Dr. Mike

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So, I know 12 seconds/day is unacceptable. 52 degrees is ok.
What about 312 degrees amplitude?
Can this be adjusted? Or do I have them exchange it?
 

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timnic54

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Amplitude is great and TBH 12 sec is fine IMHO


52 is the lift angle . It is a preset on the timegrapher and the other readings will be inaccurate if the movement being read has a lift angle other than 52 deg. It is not an actual measurement of the movements function. Some movements have a lift angle of 42 or 48 for example. Pretty much all of the 28XX and 77XX have 52

List of various movements and the relevant lift angle

http://pczw.uhren-mikl.com/downloads/gamma.pdf






 

zethunder

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12sec is just fine...keep in mind that these are reps and not cocs time keepers and I honestly wouldn't read too much into the timegraph results...if you are happy with everything else, just go for it!

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Dowbs

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IIRC anything inside of +/- 30s/day is acceptable for reps.

Amplitude is good as well, as @timnic54 said.

Seems healthy to me.
 

Dr. Mike

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Thanks guys. I thought that amplitude was supposed to run between 270-300 with 310 being the max upper limit.
My understanding of amplitude is the degrees of rotation of the balance wheel per oscillation. Low means it's dirty or other friction on the jewel. High means premature failure?
I asked Angus if they could adjust the timing to get it closer to +/- 1-2 sec a day. 5 sec a day would be fine, but I have a 20yr old Seiko diver with the 7s26 movement that I have to readjust weekly because it's so fast.

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timnic54

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Low amplitude can occur for various reasons, one of which can be a dirty movement. Same goes for very high amplitude, if accompanied by other factors could be a weakening of the hairspring or a worn pallet fork ( if accompanied by enough BE ) Really too many possibilities to list here. Which is why a timegrapher is of little use if you don't have the watch in your hand to examine. It is only meant to be a small part of the story of what is going on in the movement. As a tool it is very far from diagnostic.

Given though that this is a new movement and that this is probably the first time it has run at all. Those readings suggest the movement probably Ok. But that is all it does. You could swap the watch for one showing an amp of 275 , 0 BE and + - 1 sec and it could run very differently after a week. There is nothing about those readings which on their own suggest any kind of problem with that watch movement.
 

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Agree with everything said. Keep in mind that most movements should be regulated to at least 2-3 positions. It might happen that another position is 12s/d in the opposite. In real world use that should net out to 0. Its all about balancing the various positions.
 

nikoel

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I wouldn't worry about it mate. I have a few watches in my watchbox that are currently losing around 24 hours in a day ;)
 

timnic54

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Agree with everything said. Keep in mind that most movements should be regulated to at least 2-3 positions. It might happen that another position is 12s/d in the opposite. In real world use that should net out to 0. Its all about balancing the various positions.

I agree . Furthermore I think timegrapher info in QC pics tells you almost nothing. Even a very low amplitude could mean the mainspring is virtually out of power because they haven't wound the watch. Timegrapher on its own is pretty uninformative.

I see QC pics of watches with 6497 Lift angle 44 Timegrapher set to 52
2824 lift angle 51 Timegrapher set to 52
Miyota range from 49 to 51 , never 52 , TDs timegrapher always 52

They are always set to 52. TDs are not watchmakers