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The Rolli FGD 5218-201/A Pre-V Goodness Inside

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Rolli and FGD (aka GPFModDep) have been collaborating on dial projects for the past few years. Project after project has resulted in high end Swiss quality dials, with no detail or expense spared. So, the question that everyone kept asking was... When will you be taking on the Pre-V dials? The wait is over.

The first preview pics on RWGForum delivered more than I expected.







A couple of important notes to consider about this dial. It is not a Chinese replica dial. It is made in the same dial shops that make parts for other Swiss makers. It's lumed with authentic RC Tritec lume (I've done a time elapsed test against gen lume and the Rolli dials match in duration of glow power). The quality and finish is every bit as good as gen. The lacquer fill on the numbers and indices is the same used on the gen Pre-V dials; UV 820, a natural resin lacquer that will dull and age over time, just like the gen dials. Finally, this is the most accurate Pre-V dial ever made and the first one to combine accurate number shape with accurate serif font.

I ordered the day after the original thread was posted and a week later my dial arrived. Luckily I had a Unitas low beat 6497 waiting...



There were only a couple of problems with the movement. First, this was no time for the old nail clipper trick on the seconds pinion... NO WAY. The wheel must be swapped.




It's important to note that you should remove the pallet fork before swapping the seconds wheel. This will keep you from damaging the pallet jewels when rebuilding the gear train.









Much Better!

Next the mounting screw notches on the old school bridge needed to be enlarged to fit wrist watch mounting tabs



Time to mount the dial



Check out the reflection of the light on the dial. This shimmer is from the bead blasted anodized surface. An amazing gen feature, no Chinese rep maker would ever touch.



Time for a lume shot



Next up, the case. The genuine Pre-V case has more than a few hallmark features.
The fat, stubby lugs
rounded and heavily polished cushion shape
Polished rehaut
Fatty CG body







In my opinion, there are only a few rep cases that can serve as a good platform for this build: The David Wong, or the Noob111J, 111M, or 111N

I picked my 111M out of the parts box for the reshape.







Screw you Strap Notch...Goodbye


How can I forget about the crown. One of these is gen and one is a DSN with a little extra polishing.




The Gen cushion shape is not too hard to achieve. Gentle sloping of the edges and corners is all you need. I achieved this with a soft nail file from a beauty supply store. BUT... There are a couple of important features.
To be accurate to get you have to drill the lugs to 1.6mm. This means you have to use WSO lug bars and screws. DSNs lug bars measure around 1.75mm... too large and believe me you can see the difference if you look long enough;)
The other important point is to not forget to soften the edge between the lugs. Most reshaped neglect this feature. But if you study enough gen pictures you will see this edge too is rounded and polished.







Finally and perhaps most important is the Pre-V CG. It is noticeably more "fat" than the current historic CG. The absolute best readily available option is to use the DSN body along with the Sead A-F CG lever. DSNs new CG body is .10mm skinnier than his previous version, but it can accept the Sead lever with no modification. Quite nice! You'll also note a concentric spin finish on the CG pin. This is a distinctly Pre-V way to finish the CG pin.





Final finishing touches. The David Wong caseback is one of the best ever made. But they all came with no paint fill. Let's get out some Tamiya flat black lacquer....


And now some paint thinner to rub back the surface paint... Perfect.


I can't forget about the ULTIMATE Pre-V buckle from one of the best craftsman in this hobby. Elias on Homage Forum



Some wrist shots...










Time for a new Pre-V team photo



I hope you enjoyed the read and the pictures as much as I enjoyed the process!
 

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Simply amazing and masterful. This watch is at the very top of the Logo builds to date.
Thank you for showing us some of the steps to achieve perfection.
 

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Wow, nice work. Congrats.
The quality of the dial looks amazing.


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Well, I thought I would have built a rolli 201a myself, but after seeing this I better give up and sell the parts. :)

Joikes aside, another impressive build Grim, great job!

A couple of questions:

Which cannon pin did you use H2 or H3?
Do you know the ETA part for the short 4th wheel?
What do you use to impress a radial brushing on the CG pin?
 

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absolutely top notch

great work

Wear it with passion

regards

salsa

 

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Need one of those 201a pretty badly :( Hope you wear & enjoy it in good health man!
 

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Do you know the ETA part for the short 4th wheel?

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kilowattore

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Thanks Chris :)
 

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Near perfect, hard to take differences from a gen. My compliments.
 
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Thats the 6497-2 high beat. If you are using a low beat you need 6497-1 220/1019With Short Pivot
http://www.ofrei.com/page1418.html
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Thanks for the comments guys! There are a couple of things still left to do to make it even better. I am waiting on DSNs new high quality French made Crystal. I am currently using a David Wong Crystal and it's not quite meeting my OCD needs.

Also, I noticed that I didn't quite get the rehaut to a mirror polish. I will hit that again when I replace the crystal. Here's a comparison of an earlier case I reshaped and the current one. You should be able to see the difference.

 

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Absolute beauty Sir ....enjoy and wear in good health.

Best

FGD
 
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Kilo you asked about the CG Pin radial spun finish... If you reference the method with which I flattened my 28A CG pin, you basically use the same method. Chuck the pin in your drill press or Dremel and run it at high speed against 400-600 grit sand paper, you should get a nice radial finish. You can also use the edge of a dremel cutting wheel, but this will remove material quickly, so be more cautious

Also, you asked about the Cannon Pinion Hour Wheel Combo

As well noted by master w0lf, read this:
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/155538-111-modified-movement-complete/?p=1196556

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I hope you read it, because it's a great bit of analysis from a legend, but in the mean time. I'll give you the specs
(all work done by me)
Reshaped 111M
DSN Crown and Tube (repolished and cleaned up)
2011-2013 DSN CG Body with Sead Lever modded to fit Radial spun and flattened CG Pin
David Wong crystal (soon to be changed to DSN new high grade crystal)
Lugs drilled to 1.6mm for gen correct WSO lug bars
Unitas 6497-1 low beat with short pivot 4th wheel installed ratchet bridge modded for wrist watch clamps, blued screws added
H3 CP with H2 nickel hour wheel
H-Factory Pre-V Hands with Ivory lume
Rolli FGD 201/A dial
 

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Thanks for the link Grim, an impressive display of knowledge from W0lf, a true master :notworthy:

So now I bought a dremel, a set of cutting/brushing/polishing tools, an H2 HW...
Dial and hands are here, cannon pins are here, case and movement are on their way...
God only knows how will I manage to get to the end of this build without destroying everything! :lol:
 

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Beautifull Grimm!!!! Thanks for sharing :) do you know if the buckles from Elias are still available?
 

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Hi guys I'm really amazed by your skills

Grim you are great and you have to enjoy such a build
This is a fantastic care for the little details and the result is awesome

I'm very happy seeing your good level regarding builds and mods and actually jealous of that

You have got a rep (??) at the same level of Rollie-FGD dials at that is not at all easy
I will need to prepare a canned reply to praise your jobs, because I'm always saying the same

Congrats

ALE
 
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Beautifull Grimm!!!! Thanks for sharing :) do you know if the buckles from Elias are still available?

hello Fitch! Elias buckles are always available. He's on homage forum. Let me know if you have a hard time finding him.

Hi guys I'm really amazed by your skills

Grim you are great and you have to enjoy such a build
This is a fantastic care for the little details and the result is awesome

I'm very happy seeing your good level regarding builds and mods and actually jealous of that

You have got a rep (??) at the same level of Rollie-FGD dials at that is not at all easy
I will need to prepare a canned reply to praise your jobs, because I'm always saying the same

Congrats

ALE

ALE, the dial here does the all the hard work. My work on the case is just the icing on the cake. I appreciate the kind words!