OK, I need ever more info. Going through the bewildering list of PAMs, I think I understand that the PAM 217 and 219 are the two gen destros. Is that right or are there other models for we lefties? I just bought a 112 from Davidsen and am absolutely delighted with it. Does he do a good destro, and if he does both of the above, which of the two would you recommend. It looks to me that the one is simply a lefty 112, so the Marina Militaire intrigues me. I presume it comes with a closed case back--which is a pity since I rather like seeing the movement. Speaking of movements, which would be the correct ETA for that one? As always, thanks for the advice..................