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The Making of the New 201a dial

davidsenjpn

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I am working on a new 201a dial now.

Gen 201a was made from solid disk with all nos an index were routed(cnc engraved)Lume were then
painted onto the boottom and 4 sides walls of all the nos and index.Vanish was finially filled
into the hollow aeras of the index.

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With the help and assistance from Enzo.He made me some very clear and accurate artwrok file below.


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In order to make a good 201a dial,
I have listed my specs clearly and exactly as bellow.


1.To make dial with cnc engrave precisely like enzo drawing.

2.To add lume to the engraved nos and index the way I described as above.

3.to print the logo like the Enzo artwork.

Initial sorucing of this dial was very discouraging.

All my current replica dial suppliers can do NO 3 task only.

Why?

1.They do not have the CNC equipment to do this kind of engraves.
2.the lume job is just too complicated to for factory mass produciton run.

What to do next?

I have to take take off the "Panerai" logo from the artwork and asked some bigger /better equipped maker to see they can make a dial
like this.

Most of them can do the engrave ok.

But still the lume job not possible.

Panerai logo printing is out of the qaestions for obvious reason.


After careful consideration, I have to split the making into 3 stages.

stage 1.

Make and order the dial with the dial maker who have the facility to make it.

Stage 2.

I have to do the lume job 100% in house one by one.

Stage 3.

Send the lumed dial for printing of logos in the rep dial factory.


This is the first run of sterlie dial .

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All comments are welcomed.
 

hooligan

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What a fantastic and exciting project Davidsen!

The new dial looks promising, very promising. The shape of the 6 and 9 still aren't quite right, but that should be fixable. Where the loops of the 6 and 9 close needs to be a little flatter. It's hard to articulate.

I think the printing on your last run of 201/A dials was very close, so that shouldn't need a ton of improving.

If you get these watches sorted, you can mark me down for buying one of each, 201/A and 202/A. Maybe two of each, so I'll have a back up for each. :wink:

Any idea when you'll be getting samples of the Pre-V style cases? I know the guys in your thread on RWG were talking about it and pointed you to Volker's comparo of the Pre-V and contemporary cases.
 

davidsenjpn

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dial logo print is not that difficult.

The most difficult part is to get lume job done accurately.

I am doing the trial and errors on this new dials.new pics will be posted soon.

Dial will look differnt with lumed.

Pre v case is very hard to get it 100% done accurately.

I am making some new case with some up gardes on cg/lugs length etc. only.

Pls do not expect a 1 to 1 case as i do not have a gen case to copy.

You guys are jsut too dmanding soemtimes.
 
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d4m.test

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Can you put the prototype disk in a case to check the distance between the indices and the rehaut? I think the indices are too close to the edge given the dial disk still needs to a small lip under the rehaut. Thanks.

-bk
 

sharpie12070

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Can you put the prototype disk in a case to check the distance between the indices and the rehaut? I think the indices are awfully close to the edge given the dial disk still needs to a small lip under the rehaut. Thanks.

-bk

Excelent idea bk.
Davidsen, good going, I think you're really onto something great here. Getting really close, can't wait :mrgreen:
 

bazonkers

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Can we at least get a non AR sapphire? If I'm not mistaken, the pre-v models don't have AR.

The work looks really good. I don't think anyone is expecting a 1:1 DSN, they just want it as close as possible within reason. The little tweaks suggested should be easy to do and would go a long way to coming closer to 1:1.
 

Gill777

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Davidsen,
I just wanted to say thank you! It amazes me the length you are willing to go to, in order to create (IMHO) the most precise replicas of Panerai watches. Where would we be without your diligence?
 

hk45ca

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i have to say this is a unbelievably killer project!!!!!!! i have a feeling this is going to be very good!!!! 8)
 

hooligan

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davidsenjpn said:
dial logo print is not that difficult.

The most difficult part is to get lume job done accurately.

I am doing the trial and errors on this new dials.new pics will be posted soon.

Dial will look differnt with lumed.

Pre v case is very hard to get it 100% done accurately.

I am making some new case with some up gardes on cg/lugs length etc. only.

Pls do not expect a 1 to 1 case as i do not have a gen case to copy.

You guys are jsut too dmanding soemtimes.

Agreed 100% Davidsen, we are a demanding lot.

I'm not looking for a 1:1 Pre-V case. Just something a little closer than the current Luminor cases. :wink:

If you get the dials sorted, I'll buy both the 201 and 202 regardless of the case. :D
 

turbogt

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bazonkers said:
Can we at least get a non AR sapphire? If I'm not mistaken, the pre-v models don't have AR.

The work looks really good. I don't think anyone is expecting a 1:1 DSN, they just want it as close as possible within reason. The little tweaks suggested should be easy to do and would go a long way to coming closer to 1:1.

5218-201/A does have AR
 

Aji

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hooligan said:
davidsenjpn said:
dial logo print is not that difficult.

The most difficult part is to get lume job done accurately.

I am doing the trial and errors on this new dials.new pics will be posted soon.

Dial will look differnt with lumed.

Pre v case is very hard to get it 100% done accurately.

I am making some new case with some up gardes on cg/lugs length etc. only.

Pls do not expect a 1 to 1 case as i do not have a gen case to copy.

You guys are jsut too dmanding soemtimes.



Agreed 100% Davidsen, we are a demanding lot.

I'm not looking for a 1:1 Pre-V case. Just something a little closer than the current Luminor cases. :wink:

If you get the dials sorted, I'll buy both the 201 and 202 regardless of the case. :D



Dsn,

I'm a big fan of your work.

I'm with hooligan on this, get the dials sorted and you can be sure I'll buy both off you too.

Keep up the good work.
 

JOEJOEJOE

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great project DSN!

One thing I notice is that the logo seems to big (proportionately) on Enzo's drawing.

Hope this works out well - very much interested myself (along with many many of us :) )

J
 

Aji

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JoeJoeJoe,

does the 201/ A have a brushed stainless crown guard and lever
 

davethecat

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brushed I believe.

There was a write up about the cg a few years ago. It has a couple of nuances compared to stnd PAMs - lever is in the center - not slightly offset. I believe the end of the lever sits more flush. That's the best that I can recall.

Cant wait to see this one when it's ready to go.
 

dse

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I think a lot of guys ave been waiting for this project to come to fruition. To borrow a line from a field of dreams......"If you make it, they will come"
 

searching

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VERY exciting project... The specs are fascinating - especially thinking about the multi-step process to dig out numbers, fill with lume and then cover with varnish. Going to be worth every penny you charge.
 

davidsenjpn

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I am still trying to put lume on these indexes the way same way like the Gen.

The process is very slow and need some practices.

Will post pics of dial with lume soemtime this week.

I have made some sampels(unlumed) with printing of logo on these base dials.

201a and 202a.

Pls see if the these dials logos and print ok?

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the pre A sew in 24mm steel buckels been made too.

I will make engrave of the panny logos and put them into straps (115/85mm)

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What straps are the best? plain color straps or sharkskin pattern?