The Asian Truth about Replicas..... Part 2

[UKASIA]

There is nothing like a bit of debate and in that regard I have excelled. Thanks to all of you.

To answer many I AM STILL HERE and whats more I have read every Comment I thank all of you for your welcoming even if some feel they were insulted, and I note in particular some peoples comments about the 7750 so let me clarify this point.

I would like the forum to realize I live in Asia and what is available to me is ONLY the Chinese copy ( old stock using the original 7750 does not exist here ) and in this regard my opinion still stands on the whole these 7750 copies are junk ( getting better but still junk ) The original 7750 is a fine movement I will never disagree with that.

My post was a general post and it seems that some took exception to it , maybe they feel 7 years in Asia and a past time of buying and studying replicas for fun has nothing to offer buyers of replicas or members of this forum. I would disagree.

How many of you can walk in to a store that has over a 1000 replicas and choose the best there is of any model you want ? How many can say they have looked at many different makes and suppliers models to see which is the best ? How many can borrow to test a replica ? Asia works like that but only after years of getting to know the right people and gaining their trust .. I thought some may like to know what I have found out .It seems I was wrong.

Let me know if you want to know anything else , maybe some of you live here too .. lets meet for drink.

Pompous? HELL YES and why not , its a good place to be if watches are your interest.

 

[jmd33]

I'm sure nobody meant to bash you. You just need to understand that some of the members here know A LOT about reps and can answer "yes" to every one of your questions above.

So, to many of them the info you provided is basic (but with a slightly "know it all" flare). For us noobs, it is good info (although most of it is known to anyone who has spent even a little time here).

Thanks - and a good exchange of info is what this place is all about.

 

[DonBrizzel]

I love it.

 

[cybee]

Pompous? HELL YES and why not , its a good place to be if watches are your interest.

Pompous and tough as nails. I like that.

Welcome again UK. Look forward to seeing you around.

 

[ahw676]

There is nothing like a bit of debate and in that regard I have excelled. Thanks to all of you.

Well, even your detractors have to admit that the last new member who garnered this much attention posted pictures of herself in her underwear (and no, that was not me). Um, but that's not considered mandatory, so you don't need to share.

I'm glad that you're still around and I admire the courage that you've shown in returning.

To all of you, maybe he's pompous and arrogant. Maybe not. But in any case, that doesn't mean that he doesn't have something useful that he might be willing to share. So I'd encourage you all to give him a chance, and if you discover, after he's established a relationship with our forum that he truly is nothing but a pompous windbag, THEN you can flame him.

Oh, by the way, welcome to RWI.

 

[frenzalrhomb]

Good come back post dude!

Hope you stick around.

 

[RWIGWH]

I've always wondered why so many defend the Asian 7750. It is a pile of crap.
I also wonder why almost everyone still to this day calls it's a (Asian) valjoux movement.
I never knew that Asia had a small town with the same name that produced 7750's...

 

[jmd33]

Underwear?????? :shock: I know who you are referring to, but how did I miss the pics?????

By the way - where did she go (I don't think she's been around in long while)?

 

[DonBrizzel]

Well, even your detractors have to admit that the last new member who garnered this much attention posted pictures of herself in her underwear (and no, that was not me). Um, but that's not considered mandatory, so you don't need to share.

OMG you have to link me to this....I will be expecting a PM ....

 

[d4m.test]

If it is NOT possible to get ANY replica at all with a Swiss 7750 or 7753 in China, how is it possible that dealers have them available? Are they being dropshipped from somewhere other than China? I never like to speak in absolutes... so saying that it IS NOT possible to get in all of China is a pretty bold statement.
Im just curious... how are these being sold?

And also in reference to the 7750... What exactly is so bad about them? If they were not actually installed in watches in a garage with dirt, hairs, and metal shavings they would work just fine. Once they are cleaned and serviced they are just as likely to last as any other Asian or clone movement.

Now when you are talking about the a7750's with all the modified gear trains... that is another story.

 

[rooster133]

There is nothing like a bit of debate.

Ok, but so why the new thread? You should have posted back in the original thread and addressed people's concerns there.

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. And some pictures would be great!

 

[RWIGWH]

After it's cleaned and service by someone who is actually willing to touch it, you have a functioning movement yes. When you compare an Asian 7750 to other Asian movements it's an epic fail.
When you compare it to a Zenith El Primero it's an apocalypse.

If it is NOT possible to get ANY replica at all with a Swiss 7750 or 7753 in China, how is it possible that dealers have them available? Are they being dropshipped from somewhere other than China? I never like to speak in absolutes... so saying that it IS NOT possible to get in all of China is a pretty bold statement.
Im just curious... how are these being sold?

And also in reference to the 7750... What exactly is so bad about them? If they were not actually installed in watches in a garage with dirt, hairs, and metal shavings they would work just fine. Once they are cleaned and serviced they are just as likely to last as any other Asian or clone movement.

Now when you are talking about the a7750's with all the modified gear trains... that is another story.

 

[ahw676]

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. And some pictures would be great!

To clarify, I believe that he means pictures of your watches, not pictures of you in your underwear.

And to the other drooling members who want to see the underwear pictures, she posted them on a poorly thought out impulse. When she realized the folly of her ways, she removed the pictures. There is one member who I believe may have saved copies of them before they disappeared. And in the interest of you guys not bombarding him with PM's, I'm not telling you who it is.

 

[Fiddo]

Glad to see you back UKASIA!

It does seem that you have a credible knowledge of the rep trade. However, as others have stated, so do many of the people here. The acquisiton of knowledge is a "two way street". If we all keep an open mind, I think we all can learn something new.

Once again- Welcome!

 

[jmd33]

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. And some pictures would be great!

To clarify, I believe that he means pictures of your watches, not pictures of you in your underwear.

And to the other drooling members who want to see the underwear pictures, she posted them on a poorly thought out impulse. When she realized the folly of her ways, she removed the pictures. There is one member who I believe may have saved copies of them before they disappeared. And in the interest of you guys not bombarding him with PM's, I'm not telling you who it is.

Damn. :wink:

 

[rooster133]

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. And some pictures would be great!

To clarify, I believe that he means pictures of your watches, not pictures of you in your underwear.

Unless it's replica underwear and he has hundreds of them. In which case I'd be kind of curious.

 

[DonBrizzel]

Anyway, welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. And some pictures would be great!

To clarify, I believe that he means pictures of your watches, not pictures of you in your underwear.

And to the other drooling members who want to see the underwear pictures, she posted them on a poorly thought out impulse. When she realized the folly of her ways, she removed the pictures. There is one member who I believe may have saved copies of them before they disappeared. And in the interest of you guys not bombarding him with PM's, I'm not telling you who it is.

Since it is you who is protecting this person, I think I have a good idea of who it is.



With regards to the 7750, why is it crap? Because it is made in a dirty area? Is that the only reason? Or is there something else wrong with it?

 

[d4m.test]

There is nothing else wrong with the A7750. They are assembled and/or cased in dirty environments. The manufacturing of the parts is fine.
You are seeing a Kia compared to a BMW M5 when comparing an A7750 to a El Primero.
I have A7750's that were serviced 2 years ago that are still running within COSC specs. I dont see anything wrong with that!
I would still like to know how dealers are selling Swiss 7750's and 7753's if they are not available anywhere in China? MAYBE these are actually made in Switzerland???? JUST KIDDING!

 

[UKASIA]

The 7750 debate continues

I can say without doubt that there are a few grades of the Asian 7750 copy. This is the main problem some are "ok" and some are just not .

It is my opinion that the 7750 copies fail because of the machining tolerance when they make it, and as such simple things like oil and setup are woefully missing in their construction which make matters worse. There is also the materials used and lack of quality in them.

I have looked with a view to repairing over 20 of these movements and the faults have been across the whole mechanism, ranging from the hairspring and main spring to the reset assembly that is unique to the 7750. Then you have the problem that each batch is different so interchangeability is not an option . Take screws that snap off when you try to undo them these movements just don't cut it. I am sure the odd one is good but that is just it the ODD one.

With regards to replicas using original 7750 I will only say this I have asked for this movment in a watch for the last 12 months and NOT ONE of my contacts can get me one .

Several have told me they are not used anymore , when money is king they normally come up trumps but in this request it has led to a big fat ZERO.

My confidence in the statement of Chinese replicas now not using original 7750 is pretty high ,but lets not forget old stock does not exist here maybe it does elsewhere.

 

[BlueRod37]

thanks UKASIA for the info you are pooling around


@ those who want pictures of underwearsed (don't know if this construction exists) girls you can have a look to the posts of gioarmani7428.... :lol:
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Guillaume