T Swiss T dial real or fake and what reference would it belong to?

[reinier12]

This is a dial that I could buy but I doubt if its real or fake, it has a white glossy finish.
Anyone knows if it has any obvious tells and what reference it should belong to?

 

[Hasslebank]

Bad quality pic and also bad condition but can easily be a gen dial

 

[reinier12]

@Hasslebank, thanks for the quick reply, its mostly dust/dirt on the dial it was stored badly.
You have any idea what reference it would be if it was gen?

 

[Dohdoh]

This is a dial that I could buy but I doubt if its real or fake, it has a white glossy finish.
Anyone knows if it has any obvious tells and what reference it should belong to?

A Pic of the backside would help but as the lume plots are missing as well, I assume it's one of these aftermarket / repainted dials... They might be genuine as the base and coronet are genuine but as said, it's a repainted dial in the end...

 

[Dohdoh]

@Hasslebank, thanks for the quick reply, its mostly dust/dirt on the dial it was stored badly.
You have any idea what reference it would be if it was gen?

Reference is 16030 https://www.bucherer.com/de/de/role...mfszgN08GtzcWijR-zsJhxihfHcdJR2QaAnnaEALw_wcB

As you can see in the link, it should have lume plots on the indices... Which yours don't have so I go with repainted aftermarket

 

[Dohdoh]

Could be a 16200 porcelain dial as well as the seconds indices are matching your dial but then it should have other, thicker hour indices...

 

[reinier12]

@Dohdoh, thanks for the reactions. I suspect repainted as well based on that the paint on the date window was not nicely distributed.

 

[Hasslebank]

A Pic of the backside would help but as the lume plots are missing as well, I assume it's one of these aftermarket / repainted dials... They might be genuine as the base and coronet are genuine but as said, it's a repainted dial in the end...

We have already seen gen stuff with fallen/missing lume plots.
I sustain might be gen however doent worth too much if consider buying it

 

[Hec]

This is a dial that I could buy but I doubt if its real or fake, it has a white glossy finish.
Anyone knows if it has any obvious tells and what reference it should belong to?

First I would do a logic exercise, is he a reputable salesman?

I would ask for photos of the reverse, very enlarged photos to see the serigraphy, coronet....

for reference (although I am no expert), the Rolex 1601 datejust have the ‘ T SWISS T’.

 

[Dohdoh]

First I would do a logic exercise, is he a reputable salesman?

I would ask for photos of the reverse, very enlarged photos to see the serigraphy, coronet....

for reference (although I am no expert), the Rolex 1601 datejust have the ‘ T SWISS T’.

It is not a 1601... The 1601 models had pie pan dials

 

[alligoat]

Total fake/redial! The serifs on OYSTER PERPETUAL are a dead giveaway- even though they are slight. Dial print is very poor anyway and as has been mentioned- no lume plots at hour markers