Swiss or? Pls chime in...

[M]

I know this topic has been beaten to death, and some more. But know this, that I am not posting this to whine/rant/sob about the movement - merely am curious to know as I paid for a Swiss movement.

I'd be grateful if our resident PAM experts could chime in. I know the swan neck is part swinese or what not, I am more interested in finding out if the base movement is infact Swiss or its an Asian.

Thank you for your time.
Regards,
-M.

and the pictures:

 

[hooligan]

Asian.

 

[horologie_unitas]

the flared spokes say Chinese, ....but....gen Panerai has also flaerd spokes. increases the moving mass.

i would say the mvmnt is chinese, but it looks very good to me. i would not hesitate to buy it....looks very nice.

 

[hooligan]

Yep, the flared spokes of the balance wheel are used with the higher beat rate 6497-2 (which the Asian movements emulate). Visually a more accurate movement than the Swiss and the Asian movements are getting better and better. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a watch with that movement...

M, did you get this from a dealer or private sale?

 

[brtelec]

I tend to agree when it comes to these movements I have no aversion to an Asian movement such as this one pictured. The problem is he paid for a Swiss movement!

 

[d4m.test]

Thank you for the input H_U, Hooligan, & Brtelec.
Lets see now...
To answer you Hooligan, the watch originally came from Andrew. But I got it off in a private sale.
Its a PAM112. As most of you know, I was dying to get a base movement PAM with a swiss movement - ended up getting one, but it turns out its an asian, and a bad one at it too.
Problem is; the watch ran for 30 minutes when fully wound, but then it stopped. The crown doesn't wind anymore - and it runs for a minute or so and stops again.

Quite amusing huh?

Oh well, lesson learnt.

 

[Dizzy]

yep i have to agree flaired spokes is asian... or GEN Panerai haha

 

[swfla]

M, if I understand correctly. You bought this watch in a private transaction. If you had the problem with it dying from the get go, I would say the seller knew it and scammed you. If that's the case, they may have lied about purchasing it from Andrew just to make the watch sound like a good deal (coming from a reputable dealer). My point is, someone reading this post may judge Andrew's product based on your info. I know this is not what you posted about, but I think I have a good point. If the watch was working correctly and died some weeks or month's later, that's another story....

 

[hooligan]

I don't think anyone is judging Andrew in this thread. M stated that the watch came from a private seller.

While there is some logic to your argument, I don't think any reasonable person would try to hold Andrew responsible for this situation. Once the original buyer got the watch, there is no telling what he/she may have done with it.

 

[tutima]

There is also possibility that the movement went out of whack during transit which is not uncommon...

 

[hk45ca]

M, if I understand correctly. You bought this watch in a private transaction. If you had the problem with it dying from the get go, I would say the seller knew it and scammed you. If that's the case, they may have lied about purchasing it from Andrew just to make the watch sound like a good deal (coming from a reputable dealer). My point is, someone reading this post may judge Andrew's product based on your info. I know this is not what you posted about, but I think I have a good point. If the watch was working correctly and died some weeks or month's later, that's another story....

judging the products of dealers is what we do here. this is an all to comman problem and it is getting worse by the day. while we don't know the details of this original purchase from whoever the dealer might have been this is a very comman problem.

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtop ... white+lies

i agree it is asian but i don't have a problem with that. i have a problem with it being represented and sold as a working swiss. i would contact the seller. i keep beating my head against the wall talking about movements and other problems but nobody is listening. :?

 

[d4m.test]

No no no, not accusing anyone here! Such are not my intentions ever, people have their reasons.
I dont let this rep business get to my head. Its a hobby, a watch passion if you will; and we choose to practice it, knowing the risks invovled.
I merely wanted to get an expert opinion from our resident PAM enthusiasts as to whether the watch was truly a Swiss movt. or a cheaper counterpart; an Asian.
I do, once again, appreciate you guys taking the time to contribute your valuable opinion... Always a pleasure being a part of Darkside.

I am in talks with the seller, and hopefully will get this resolved.
[and for the inquisitive; the watch did come from andrew, he has nothing to do with the bad movement, he is a stand up dealer who will deliver by going an extra mile... ]

 

[swfla]

Both excellent points. Thankyou.

 

[KBH]

Thank you for the input H_U, Hooligan, & Brtelec.
Lets see now...
To answer you Hooligan, the watch originally came from Andrew. But I got it off in a private sale.
Its a PAM112. As most of you know, I was dying to get a base movement PAM with a swiss movement - ended up getting one, but it turns out its an asian, and a bad one at it too.
Problem is; the watch ran for 30 minutes when fully wound, but then it stopped. The crown doesn't wind anymore - and it runs for a minute or so and stops again.

Quite amusing huh?

Oh well, lesson learnt.

I had a similar problem with a 005 from TWP. Turned out the blued screw right to the left of the dagger was loose. You might check that.

 

[swfla]

HK45, glad you brought up that post. I had a "lies of omission" purchase from a member here who has good standing. He said the watch had the extra links, but he didn't say the link pins were missing. Minor hassle but, still had to track down the link pins myself. The latch on the bracelet also had a problem which I was able to remedy. Here's the icing on the cake: a couple of weeks after our transaction, he replied to a post about this particular model by saying he had one but got rid of it because the bracelet latch had a problem. So, when you tell little lies, even by ommission, you may reveal yourself as a liar later on.
If he had been totally honest with me up front, I would have negotiated a lower price and still bought the watch. It wasn't worth the aggravation to me to call him on his lie and ask for some money back.

 

[hk45ca]

HK45, glad you brought up that post. I had a "lies of omission" purchase from a member here who has good standing. He said the watch had the extra links, but he didn't say the link pins were missing. Minor hassle but, still had to track down the link pins myself. The latch on the bracelet also had a problem which I was able to remedy. Here's the icing on the cake: a couple of weeks after our transaction, he replied to a post about this particular model by saying he had one but got rid of it because the bracelet latch had a problem. So, when you tell little lies, even by ommission, you may reveal yourself as a liar later on.
If he had been totally honest with me up front, I would have negotiated a lower price and still bought the watch. It wasn't worth the aggravation to me to call him on his lie and ask for some money back.

yes, i understand what you are saying. it is a shame when that happens, in my opinion you can never ask too many questions about the item you are buying either from a dealer or a member.

 

[Klink]

hmmmm

so, seems that there are now honest and upright people..

and some not so..

shame..

shame..

Life is Good!

Klink