Swiss or Clone?

[Tucker]

I need some help please experts. This is a movement in a DSSD Blue that I am thinking of buying from another forum. I believe it is a clone. It is being advertised as a Swiss. A member on the other forum says it's Swiss, because the "gears have holes." I'm looking at the single slot by the shock jewel and what appears to be a flat plate piece that is curved in a Swiss. Thoughts @Raddave @occb2 @Thehitman @xj4sonx @trailboss99 [MENTION=62114]Ko67[/MENTION]

 

[Ralphy]

[MENTION=48066]tripdog[/MENTION] thoughts on this one for Tucker?

 

[Ralphy]

Tucker I think this is clone based on the same thing you stated, plus the engravings look off to me. Better than some clones, but still not as crisp as gen ETA, but I am a novice at this.

 

[KBH]

Couldn't be any more clone than that one. Hangzhou 6311 I believe.

 

[Tucker]

Thanks gentlemen.

 

[tripdog]

@tripdog thoughts on this one for Tucker?

That's a George Cloney.

 

[Tucker]

That's a George Cloney.

What's the significance of the gears having holes? I've seen Swiss and clones with gears with holes.

 

[tripdog]

What's the significance of the gears having holes? I've seen Swiss and clones with gears with holes.

There are apparently several "tells" I'm not in any way an expert. But on this one the finish is rough, plus the shock housing is wrong.

This is probably the best explanation of the differences between ETA & Clones :

https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...-to-tell-quot-Swiss-quot-from-quot-Asian-quot

 

[Raddave]

What's the significance of the gears having holes? I've seen Swiss and clones with gears with holes.

that is for sure a clone, as far as the holes, i dont think the gears have that big of a diffy but the clone autowind bridge is a smidge larger, which make the reverser holes look smaller....or not visable at all

 

[KBH]

The holes or lack of them was a good tell 5 or 6 years ago but not any longer. Plus you can get ETA gears with or without the extra holes. When they added more jewels, from 18 to 21 to 25, that's where most of them went to, the autowind gear wheels.

 

[Raddave]

The holes or lack of them was a good tell 5 or 6 years ago but not any longer. Plus you can get ETA gears with or without the extra holes. When they added more jewels, from 18 to 21 to 25, that's where most of them went to, the autowind gear wheels.

The master has spoken......this man knows his shit !

 

[ShiroTenshi]

Clone, and if that's a Swiss it's a bad quality Swiss which I will avoid.


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[KBH]

The master has spoken......this man knows his shit !

Or, maybe the man is full of shit! :whistling:

 

[Raddave]

Or, maybe the man is full of shit! :whistling:

LOL... i was talking about you not me Bro !

 

[Thehitman]

I want to say clone look at the balance jewel only one cutout. Swiss has 3

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[Thehitman]

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[KBH]

LOL... i was talking about you not me Bro !

I know. So was I.

 

[tomtom2]

from the baseplate, i would say, it's a clone!


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[xijonix]

Clone based on the X by the rotor, the swiss would have more dimple flower like look on the edge of the X.