swan neck

[jman2]

Are D4ME PAM111H swan neck movement for decorations sake or do they do what they are suppose to do in regulating the time piece?

 

[Drulee]

Send him an email, he is a very trusted person on the site and will answer honestly.

 

[slay]

in theory they should all work. it is just a mechanism to regulate the balance wheel regulation arm in tinier steps than possible when you would do it without a regulator.

You can tell if it works by looking if the swan neck touches the regulator arm or not. if it doesn't touch it, it is likely not to work properly (but it doesnt really matter anyway, as you are probably not going to regulate it yourself anyway!)

 

[babola]

Are D4ME PAM111H swan neck movement for decorations sake or do they do what they are suppose to do in regulating the time piece?

It's a mixed bag.

Early ones were just for decoration, most Asian these days are still like that. Many of now discontinued high-quality Swiss ETA 6497-1 Asian decorated bridges, S/N etc indeed came with a working one. I have both E-series and H-series Swiss ETA mov'ts and actually used S/N reg screw to fine-adjust the mov't.

 

[Drulee]

I have a couple of JacksonTse 6497 movements with S/N, he says they are just decoration - but they do push firmly against dagger. I also have a SEAD 111H with working S/N on Asian 6497. Then I bought an EL 111H with a Swiss movement - but the S/N doesn't touch the dagger (the screw touches it, though), so it looks like buying Swiss doesn't guarantee a working S/N either.

 

[babola]

I have a couple of JacksonTse 6497 movements with S/N, he says they are just decoration - but they do push firmly against dagger. I also have a SEAD 111H with working S/N on Asian 6497. Then I bought an EL 111H with a Swiss movement - but the S/N doesn't touch the dagger (the screw touches it, though), so it looks like buying Swiss doesn't guarantee a working S/N either.

EL Pams with Swiss ETA were early Swiss ETA production pieces on which the S/N only came as decoration, so no, the S/N will not be a functional one.
The ones released during 2008, were mostly working ones..again depending on the batch and the factory adding the decorations and finishing touches.

 

[Drulee]

I have a couple of JacksonTse 6497 movements with S/N, he says they are just decoration - but they do push firmly against dagger. I also have a SEAD 111H with working S/N on Asian 6497. Then I bought an EL 111H with a Swiss movement - but the S/N doesn't touch the dagger (the screw touches it, though), so it looks like buying Swiss doesn't guarantee a working S/N either.

EL Pams with Swiss ETA were early Swiss ETA production pieces on which the S/N only came as decoration, so no, the S/N will not be a functional one.
The ones released during 2008, were mostly working ones..again depending on the batch and the factory adding the decorations and finishing touches.

Thanks for the history So it's safe to say I have an early EL? I'm just about to have it sent for servicing and re-luming. In your opinion, would this model be a "keeper"? I've also got a Sead 111H and will eventually sell one of them, so I want to make sure I keep the better one

 

[babola]

Thanks for the history So it's safe to say I have an early EL? I'm just about to have it sent for servicing and re-luming. In your opinion, would this model be a "keeper"? I've also got a Sead 111H and will eventually sell one of them, so I want to make sure I keep the better one

Hey, no sweat...

Sure, could you either post the pics of your EL and/or Sead's 111H, or even just PM me or send as attachment to [email protected] if you'd prefer to keep it private.

The one I sold 2 days ago on RWI sale forrum (thread is still there) is EL early edition (pointy reg needle rather than dagger shaped), but was a sort of anomaly when it comes to S/N reg - although it was a very early Swiss ETA 6497-1 CDG bridges decorated mov't, the S/N on this one is actually functional, and I used it to fine-tune the mov't to +/- 5sec/day.

Here's mine (well, ex-mine)

 

[Drulee]

Hey, no sweat...

Sure, could you either post the pics of your EL and/or Sead's 111H, or even just PM me or send as attachment to [email protected] if you'd prefer to keep it private.

The one I sold 2 days ago on RWI sale forrum (thread is still there) is EL early edition (pointy reg needle rather than dagger shaped), but was a sort of anomaly when it comes to S/N reg - although it was a very early Swiss ETA 6497-1 CDG bridges decorated mov't, the S/N on this one is actually functional, and I used it to fine-tune the mov't to +/- 5sec/day.

Here's mine (well, ex-mine)

Can't take pics of the EL, it's wrapped up and ready to be sent for Rexifying (servicing and re-lume). I may have pics from the original sales thread, I'll check when I return home.