Good afternoon to all PANERAI lovers.
Today we will talk this time about the white dial.
This is not the most common phenomenon for PANERAI, with which everyone has different associations, like women, summer, vintage, Asian-oriented, and many others, but certainly not native to the brand.
Everyone has the right to treat this as he wants, but we will try to trace how the white dials appeared, changed and developed in the brand's collection.
In any case, PANERAI is primarily a black dial, well, maybe blue. All other colors are either secondary or exotic.
But white is a classic, it is present in the lineup of almost any brand, so let's see what we have, as usual in my narrative, both in the world of GEN and REP.
For orientation in the development of the brand, I will go not in ascending order of Refs., But according to the logic of development, in chronological order, or at least according to the logic of how I see it, and invite you to take a look.
So let's go.
1. 5218-207A
GEN:
- Year: 1995
- Movt: ETA6497
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": 207a with black markers.
- Description:
First attempt at a white dial from panerai.
There is enough information with a detailed description of what it is, why it appeared, how, how many there really are, but I will not retell it, this is not difficult to find on the Internet.
It is important to say that in fact, this is one of the variations of 207A, made first, in fact, from the converted 5218-201a, for experimental purposes. Stallone did not appreciate the blue numbers, not forgetting to grab a few for himself, in case of future auctions lol, returned them to panerai, which did not finish the whole batch, some were remade for the next dial, and some were sold at the very least.
As a result, today, this is probably the most expensive and rare white panerai dial, which was not forgotten, and even 20 years later they tried to reissue it in a special series.
It is important for us that this is the very first white dial that I know of, as well as a rare combination with blue markers and hands, which is generally unique, albeit controversial from a stylistic point of view.
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REP:
- Description:
In 2006-2008, the only rep of this model known to me was available, it was a period without the names of factories, the models were usually named after the name of the dealer from whom they could be bought.
This is clearly not something that will meet your expectations from rep panerai, out of the habit of judging quality according to the noob standards of the best time, or today's VSF, but admittedly, a very curious thing that today can only be found by chance.
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2.5218-207A
GEN.
- Year: 1996
- Movt: ETA6497
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A (blue dial)
- "Successor model": pam003 / 010
- Description:
The second variation of this model, which has already received the familiar Daylight dial, which we will see in many models without a few special inscriptions.
The bottom line is that on the white dial, the numbers must be made contrasting for readability, respectively, they are black, black is paint, they do not shine, and lume have only hands and small dots at 3, 6, 9, and 2 pieces at 12.
Also, one cannot fail to mention a distinctive feature, at that time, it is a minute scale with numbers and minute markers.
It is worth noting that, unlike black flat dials, this white one, and the following ones, has this scale around a circle that is textured, as well as a second sub-dial, which in general is more typical of automatic pams that appeared later.
In general, this is the second variation from the first 207a, it is considered a little more common but still very expensive. I trust experienced brand historians to count their number, it is important that there are dozens of them, and one usually hangs on sale.
In fact, this is the beginning of the era of white dials, which shows that this idea was with panerai back in the PRE-V era.
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REP:
- Description:
This model was produced only by DSN, for quite a long time, on a par with all PRE-V, and as it should be his products, it is difficult to find 2 identical to be an objective opinion.
Either way, this is the only option, and there are absolutely perfect specimens, with a PRE-V adapted case, crown aligned and CG.
It should be noted that in any case, this is an excellent and very beautiful dial, for which I do not know any alternatives, but the backcase could have been better, in terms of thickness, and most importantly - autograph engraving.
I wonder why this happened, given that other SLYTECHs from regular dealers had quite acceptable autograph engravings. Optimally complement it with a special Jacob backcase.
In any case, this is a unique model that I personally like very much, and if you like PRE-V pams, it will be a wonderful and fresh addition to their collection, as well as one of the few, conditionally "factory" version of bettarini with a white dial and solid caseback.
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3. PAM007
GEN.
- Year: 1997
- Movt: ETA2801-2
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Here I will move a little from reasonable logic in the order of listing for several reasons, the first of which, it's over, is that this is the only Mare Nostrum with a white dial that has not been developed in the collection with this color.
Yes, later there were completely different chronographs, but in different cases, with different movts, and I see the point to consider them independently.
Also, further we will talk primarily about bettarinin models, and they will traditionally go in a pair of marina + base, therefore, to speed up the process, we will continue to move along 2 models for a while.
So, back to the subject of discussion, pam007.
This is one of 9 MN pams, and one of three belonging to the PRE-A series, in which black, blue and white dials were released.
Formally, PRE-A, this is 1997, however, they were produced later, and as watchbase correctly writes in this case, this is actually a watch between 1997 and 1999 of production.
These are not the first attempts of modern PANERAI, to recreate the historical MN, but as they say, supposedly, there were no documents or samples, so it was invented anew, and invented in this way, in a 42mm case, with a sausage, and a tachymeter on the bezel.
In any case, any MN Panerai is a unique watch, especially from the PRE-A era, and even more so with a white dial, which, even with a suitable amount, would be rather difficult to find for purchase.
In general, a real unicorn, which cannot be called a predecessor, probably no other model, the only one in its collection, and it has received any form of continuation today. I think we'll see something like this again when the more obvious moves for the new panerai design come to an end.
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REP.
- Description:
No, unfortunately, like any other 42mm mare nostrum.
4/5. PAM003 (Marina) / PAM010 (Base)
GEN:
- Year: 1997 - 2001
- Movt: OP.I / OP.II
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A
- "Successor Model": PAM113 / PAM114
- Description:
Next, let's go through bettarini, which were produced with some exceptions in pairs marina + base, and this case is no exception.
This pair is a logical development of the PRE-V 5218-207A, only now without communication with Stallone, and in a serial production format.
They are distinguished by their standard caseback and the absence of SLYTECH and Daylight on dial.
The disc itself is essentially the same, and T lume is also used.
However, on the minute scale of the circle, the 5 minute digits were removed and lume dots were placed in their place, for every hour, not just 3,6,9,12 as it was before.
They started with the PRE-A series, and in fact, 003/010 repeats 001/002 with a black dial, or 004/009 with a PVD coating.
In fact, in the original concept of the Vendome, it was already planned to have white dials, on a par with the rest of the standard options.
Like all panerai of that time, during the release period, they underwent a lot of small changes, with the change of cases from 6500 to pre-a / 6502/6518 to 6520 in C and D series.
Also, from the middle of the B series, L dials began to appear (although given the number of lume, there is more trouble in the inscription at the bottom of the dial), and the C, D series as a result are completely rubbed.
This watch used the standard OP.I and OP.II for base and marina respectively, flesh until 2002, when the first modernization of these models took place according to the standard scenario of all luminors bettarini of those years.
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PAM010 L DIAL:
PAM003 T DIAL:
REP:
- Description:
I have not seen the factory reps of these models, except for dsn builds with L dials (in fact, from pam113 / pam114), and separately ordered backcases.
It's a shame, given that with a solid caseback, this would be a good contender for a superrep.
If you have a good C or D series backcase, you can do it yourself, however I have not seen rep T dials to create PRE-A / A / B series. If someone even has one - share it, it is interesting to see and find out who did it and when.
6/7. PAM113 (Marina) / PAM114 (Base)
- Year: 2002 - 2013
- Movt: OP.X, OP.XI
- "Model predecessor": PAM003 / PAM010
- "Model successor":
PAM561 / PAM563
- Description:
Since 2002, as in the situation with pam001, pam002, the models with white dials pam003 and pam010 received a transparent backcase, new movt., OP.X and an updated case, with a change of REF, to PAM113 and PAM114.
In this form, the model was produced for a long time, on a par with pam111 and pam112, and some others, in the process there were inter-serial changes, in which the lume points became larger, the fonts of the numbers were thicker, modern hands switched to pre-v, movt., Was updated from OP .X to OP.XI, and CG got skinny, satin-finished and then got a cutscene.
In fact, the whole game with these small changes, which all bettarinin HW models of that time were subjected to, deserves a separate post, because everything happened in different years, and more than once, and these details are enough, but here we are just we note a fact that should be taken into account when buying gen, in relation to the compliance of all parts with the year of release, as well as when assembling franken pams for 113 and 114, and we will consider this situation in detail another time.
Photo:
PAM113 E series:
PAM114 N series:
REP.
- Description:
These models were produced by NOOB, HF, DSN.
For modern series, NOOB is optimal, it is made at level 111 and has the main disadvantages in connection with the transparent backcase.
If you are interested in an early 113/114 with OP.X (as on pam127) with polished CG and other hints of a non-trivial choice, then the only option is DSN. I do not think that many of them have been made, and they have become widespread, but there is always a chance to find them.
Considering that there were several series, and many less expensive old reps n / n factories, I recommend not so much trying to identify the factory as looking at the clock.
- The line in a circle with dots and minute stripes must be aligned with the print of the dial, this is easily identifiable in relation to L SWISS L which is equal to them in a very specific way.
- The lume points should not be flat but hemispheres.
- The paint of numbers and indices must be glossy.
- All aspects of the case, including addictive CG, interior corners.
- Matching hands (modern / pre-v) and CG (thin / thick, satin-finished / polished with or without roller) series of specific watches.
In general, it is optimal to simply get the O series NOOB for both models, but later, I will definitely write a separate post on the inter-series changes of bettarini hw models, so that the choice of rep is not only directive, based on the declared factory, but also deliberate, based on the correspondence of all elements a specific model of a specific year.
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PAM114 NOOB O SERIES:
PAM114 HF O SERIES:
PAM114 DSN E SERIES:
8/9. PAM049 / PAM051
GEN.
- Year: 1999 - 2010
- Movt: OP.III
- "Model predecessor": PAM003
- "Model successor":
PAM499
- Description:
Already in the B series, the first automatic pam with a white dial appeared. I don’t know how the sales of pam003 and pam010 went, but the thought of lighter colors suitable for women, and a certain opinion that white dials are popular in the Asian market, together, possibly with some other factors, influenced the decision, and the first automatic pam with a white dial, was also the first 40mm model, along with pam048 and pam050 carrying black dials on the strap and bracelet respectively.
And many more years will pass before we get the first 44mm automatic pam, which we will talk about later.
In fact, pam049 and pam051 differ simply as versions with a strap and a steel combined (polished / satin) bracelet of the old style, as well as a strap on pam049 which is 22mm wide.
The model was produced for a long time, now it is not produced, as far as I know, and the last pam049 I saw dates from 2010 and 2009 for the pam051 version of the bracelet, although the model, which logically continues the white dial of a smaller diameter in the automatic version, appeared only in 2013, and the PAM048 with black dial in 2017 fell under the general trend of automatic models on movt., based on the 7750, which survived in the model range until this year, such as pam088, pam104, pam024, pam090 and so on, and turned into the "new" pam1048 and is produced today ...
However, pam049 did not suffer such a fate, but the model received a different development already on the basis of a 1950 case, which will be discussed later.
As a result, we have a model that managed to stay in the lineup for a very long time, despite the combination of rather specific and unpopular qualities, such as a white dial, which, by the way, is one of the changes from pam003, in addition to changing the proportion in accordance with the diameter, the inscription "automatic" and dates on 3 @, in fact, did not undergo major changes, and still a slightly exotic size of 40 mm, in which there were enough models at that time (almost all automatic models had a 40 mm version), but the only one containing the target of our discussion is the white dial.
It should be noted that, like most models produced for a long period, there were minor inter-serial changes, such as the appearance of a high-quality CG, the appearance of a roller on the lever, a quick change system for straps, instead of screw rods and a new crown shape.
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PAM049 from the front early series:
PAM049 rear late series:
PAM051:
REP:
- Description:
This model was first sold from n / n factories until 2010, and was of a very controversial quality, like all 40mm pams of the time. I used A23J or 7750, had a thin date font, and was far from the most correct case, especially you need to be careful with the backcase.
A second life for this model was given by the V6F (XF) factory which made a pair of pam048 with a black dial and pam049 with a white one. They did not make PAM050 and PAM051, but if desired, it is quite possible to find a 22mm bracelet and try to install it on V6F pam. It may need a little tweaking, but the com insertion would be really good, given the 22mm bracelet and 40mm pam, it won't be that heavy.
There are no special complaints about this rep, I would even think about superrep, at the level of pam104 / 299. The v6f had a problem with the date wheel, more precisely the beige print color, but as far as I know, it did not apply to the model with a white dial, especially since dealers often supplied the correct DW in the kit for self-replacement.
This is a good and not common watch that has a number of typical minor flaws, but given the lack of alternatives, if you wanted a 40mm automatic PAM with a white dial, this would be your only reasonable way out.
Yes, in terms of identification, everything is simple. The PAM049 xf repeats the old F series, and you can always recognize it from it without unnecessary complications.
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PAM049 V6F (XF):
PAM051 N / N:
10. PAM188
GEN.
- Year: 2004 - 2006
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Successor Model": PAM251
- Description:
The first chronograph in this case with a black dial appeared only 5 years later, after the first automatic model, to complement the pam196 with a black dial, released a year earlier.
It is difficult to say that this is a continuation of pam007, because a completely different case, diameter, type of movement, and there is little in common between them.
However, further, there will be a little more quantity.
On the already familiar white dial of the pam113 type, there are 2 more subdials of the minute and hour windows of the drive, as well as dates, by analogy with 40mm chronographs, and again, for the first time since 1996, the Daylight inscription appeared, referring to the PRE-V times and SLYTECH, although it should be noted that all panerai chronographs from 40mm up to the second generation of 2006 were based on this design pattern. Apparently, they saw the abundance of numbers as the most suitable for the chronograph, and along with the general scheme, the Daylight inscription migrated, which already had a weak semantic connection. Although, of course, there were exceptions, like AMG chronographs with a different font.
Overall, the aesthetics of the ancestor dial has been preserved as much as possible, given that the date, 2 sub dials and 3 hands have been added. It still looks contrasty, clean and not as busy as if the background were black. By the way, the date, fortunately, also has a white background.
You can even take it out without a discimetric scale, according to the example of MN, which allows you to unload a little, despite the fact that they did not put 5 minute digits from the dial 207A.
In any case, no matter how it was, this is one of 2 chronographs in this case, with a white dial, and there were even more blue ones.
I heard the opinion that over the years it is the chronographs on the OP.XII that will be the most valuable, and in this case, outside of the special series, the white dial can actually become quite valuable, due to its less prevalence.
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REP:
- Description:
Many versions of models were produced, a pair from NOOB and HF and a number of N / N, and both relatively high-quality and not.
Objectively, many years ago, in detail and clearly, all the differences between noob from hf and 2010 from versions of 2013, where all the necessary points that you need to know for accurate identification and understanding of the rep / Gen differences are described, so I will not quote, but simply indicate what you should pay attention to when trying to buy:
Correct move, for this 7753 model having a 10 @ button on the side of the case to set the date. There were versions from 7750, where the button is pressed, but does not do anything, but is installed with a crown - this is not desirable.
The date wheel should be located immediately under the dial, the sunken date is evidence of either 7750 movt, or another, incorrect one.
All hands, except for the central one at the chrono-oraph, should be black, because this is a white dial.
Don't be afraid of bracelets, many dealers have hung old-style bracelets on chrono-oraphs to "sweeten" the deal.
I believe that if all these conditions are met, then not depending on what kind of factory it is, this is a good watch that is worth buying.
This is clearly not something that will reappear in rap factories, or will return to the gen lineup. For those who love the chronograph dial itself, this is a very good and valuable watch that also accepts parts and has the option of installing a swiss 7753, for those who might care about it.
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11. PAM251
GEN.
- Year: 2006 - 2008
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": PAM188
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In fact, this is the second and last serial repetition of chronographs, as were the pam196 and pam188, so here is the pam250 with a black dial and pam251 with a white one.
The second and last chronograph in this case, but the last one, in principle, with this functionality.
The dial has undergone obvious significant changes, in line with the renewed design vision for the entire chronograph line of those years, with black and blue dials.
In fact, from now on, the authentic Daylight (whatever this word originally means) will no longer have a dial in the model range of chronographs.
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REP:
- Description:
This model was produced by HF and NOOB, and the latter did not come across to my eyes.
This is in any quality rep, at the level of any other chronograph, and most of the requirements for evaluation are the same as with pam188.
They are not so common in any decent performance, so, if possible, I would recommend paying attention to them.
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12/13. PAM561 (Base) / PAM563 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2014 - present. time.
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": PAM113 / 114
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Let's go back to the main line of bettarini models.
The dial, like the watch that carries it, has already undergone several eras, PRE-V (2 dials 207A), PRE-A and early series (PAM003 and PAM010), existed the golden age of PANERAI in the form (PAM113 and PAM114), gave several side branches , to which we were distracted, and now, another round of history with the transition to manufacturing movts., in the desire of the brand to increase its status and, at the same time, revenue.
As a result, this time, our main marina / base pair was comprehended by more serious changes.
With the new in-house caliber p.5000, with HW and PR 8 days, the inscription indicating this appeared on the dial, moving the already familiar ones.
The numbers and markers have become a little thinner again, the modern hands have returned, and most importantly, the case has changed the proportions and became thinner, also under the transparent caseback, demonstrating the new movt.
Otherwise, for an unprepared person, or not a fan of the brand, it will seem that only the price and power reserve have changed. Lol.
However, this is a new watch, and the white dials have survived as the entire HW line has been moved to a new format, along with black and tobacco dials, and some special editions, which we'll talk about later.
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PAM561:
PAM563:
Caseback:
REP:
- Description:
On the rep scene at this moment the confrontation between ZF and V6F was unfolding and a collection of 8 day models also got into it. White dials are no exception.
Both factories did not comply with the thickness, although they tried to copy a slightly different shape of the case, in particular, a pillow with lugs.
There are quite enough details that can be discussed, I think at some point, it will be time to compare the ZF and V6F cases of that solution for models on the P.5000, but since the gen thickness became 1.5 mm less and the rep remained in the former 15mm, the comparison would probably be too academic.
Most importantly, the ZF had a P.5000 clone, while the V6F did not.
This is important, first of all, in connection with the appearance, because the decorated 6497 is a very conditional decoration, given that the balance wheel has the wrong position, size, and its own balance bridge is clearly visible.
The clone from ZF also has decoration, and therefore does not allow observing the thickness, but in addition to visually, a fairly accurate effect (well, there are still no inertial controls on the balance wheel, and the decorative gears are obvious at the first glance), there is a decent PR due to 2 barrels.
By the way, movt is good and it had a lot of complaints, or not much more than gen panerai.
By the way, my friend measured PR and accuracy on P.5000 and GEN clones with this movt., And the difference was in favor of gen for a couple of days and a couple of minutes for the entire winding cycle.
However, it is strange that ZF did not consider it necessary to make pam561, but only pam563.
The V6F has both models, but they decided to fit the pre-v arms like the apm113 / 114 than in addition to the mediocre decoration in the back, they also spoiled them in the front.
This is probably why the latest v6f were sold from toro for $ 130.
In general, when choosing rep, you need to watch out for the clone, or 6497 inside us, as well as, for the hands, modern or pre-v.
Otherwise, in the absence of pam563 zf, in the world of rep it was not possible to maintain the level of overall accuracy during this transition to manufacture movt., However, as expected.
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PAM563 ZF:
PAM561 V6F:
14/15. PAM630 (Base) / PAM660 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2016 - 2018
- Movt: OP.I / OPII
- "Model predecessor": PAM113 / PAM114
- "Successor Model": PAM 775/778
- Description:
First, about the general concept: A complete transition from models based on 6497 to models based on p.5000 due to the significantly increased cost and a lot of complaints about 8-day HW movts., It did not happen, it was not correct to return the earlier models in their current form, therefore after a couple of years saw the light of one of the most disappointing moves on the part of the brand.
A typical 6497 bettarini received a new case with slightly altered proportions, a thinner crystal, a pressed-in bezel, a caseback slave instead of a thread, springbars instead of screw rods, the simplest modification 6497, WR 100m, and on some models, a very simplified dial structure and even no roller on lever CG.
For all the humiliations, instead of the retail price pam563 (as an example) $ 6600, pam660 cost $ 5000, which is $ 600 cheaper than pam113 with the loss of all of the above.
I don’t want to interfere with my individual emotions in this, but the market immediately made it clear what he thinks about it, and the "success" of pam634 in the number of sales and price, perfectly reflects the opinion of the majority about this experiment, if we compare them, for example, with pam360.
It should be noted that the model can be released for only 2 years and there are no inter-series changes. 2 calibers, do not follow the principle of redesigning pam113 / 114 but as in pam003 / pam010 reflect movt., With and without a second hand.
But now let's get back to the white dial.
First, about the good:
To counterbalance the 8-day models with a white dial, here we have pre-v hands, which, in terms of general aesthetics, may not be as reasonable, but more often closer to the heart, thicker numbers and indices, as it was on 113/114 and on the early 003/010 series, the lumé from white-green was replaced by a beige patina, which, although it gives more sweet effect than a real harsh T patina, is still pleasant.
Without 8 days, the lines were placed on the tsiferblat more traditionally, and even a logo appeared (!!!) which, after a couple of years, will feed all those hungry for this element, which, in addition to 000/005, is located either on PRE-V or special series, which not so easy and cheap to get, but ... the logo was made blue ...
No, this is a beautiful color, and it is copazationally where it is needed, especially in a light tone it is in harmony with the white dial, but even so, most would like something more strict, and taking into account all the "experiments" with keeping the price, I think everyone who reads various communities know the essence of the relationship.
Nevertheless, this is the opening of the "second front" of luminor bettarini production in parallel with 9 daytime models, and if earlier there were only 2 models with a white dial in HW, from this point there are 4 of them and the entry price has become lower.
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PAM630:
PAM660:
REP:
- Description:
Rep of these models are not. Although it could have been. At that moment of the boom of the logo, v6f (already XF in many mentions at that time) released several releases this year, such as PAM634 (and unfortunately for yen did not make 632) but with a general temporary decline in both the gen brand and the rep On the side (in view of the recent not so successful releases (especially for v6f) of models at p.5000, apparently the demand potential was assessed as insufficient, and the white dial missed this generation of bettarini in the rep industry.
Of course, a big fan of the brand would like to have such a model, in addition to other variations, but I am sure that even at the time of the appearance of 561/563, the reason to change their noobs 113/114 to something new became very controversial.
In general, we have what we have.
16/17. PAM775 (Base) / PAM778 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2018 - present
- Movt: P.6000
- "Model predecessor": PAM630 / PAM660
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
After evaluating the results a year later, the brand had to retire from the idea of trivial savings (but have not yet come to the principle of "smart" eco-saving LOL) and saw the light of the line of 6 models with a new in-house 3-day movt., Which was supposed to replace calibers based on 6497 in all remaining panerai models.
It turned out interesting.
The case became even slightly thinner, the WR 100m was left, like the backcase cracker, but they made it faceted, as before, and later, by the way, they also returned to the screw rods.
Well, they brought the RP back to the $ 5500 level, which made them more expensive than their predecessor, but cheaper than the line with the P.5000 caliber.
Well, now about the white dial.
Differences from its predecessor are not so obvious to the untrained eye, but they are.
In order not to come up with anything new, they just decided to juggle a little with the time variables of pam003 / pam010 PRE-A, A and later B series, and again made the numbers and markers a little thinner and installed modern hands, as on p.5000.
The latter, I am sure, solely from the point of view of unification of the details of the model range.
As a result, this is the last transformation, and the current final (until the next change) appearance of the white dial in the original bettarini case.
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PAM775:
PAM778:
Backcase (same):
REP:
- Description:
As in the previous case, there is no rep. The thickness became even smaller, the case changed in proportions again, and at that time everything was already at the mercy of the models on p.9000, and from 6497, which fit quite conditionally, there were only models like 000/005/111/127 with which careful management factories were not afraid to miss. In addition, the last models of the previous generation "under p.5000" were sold sluggishly for minimal money.
XF did 777, 776, 774, 773 but they passed 775 and 778.
Well, it's a pity, they fulfilled some of the conditions of the specifics of this series, by the way, in a larger volume than today HWF on similar models, but apparently, this was a controversial success, and they decided not to aggravate it with the not very popular white dial.
We'll see. I would be glad if the HW factory renewed its attempts in modern bettarini models, perhaps with some new solutions, great attention to details and forms, giving a new product, expanding the range and choice, increasing its own representation, and at the same time avoiding competition with noob (or whatever is left of it), and XF, which is clearly aimed at feeding naughty old school lovers like me. Lol.
I don’t think there are still factories in the rep market that would see the point in doing this.
But, wait and see, as they say.
18/19. PAM499 / PAM523
GEN.
- Year:
2013 for pam523,
2014 for pam499
- 2016.
- Movt: p.9000
- "Model predecessor": PAM040
- "Model successor":
PAM1499 / PAM1523
- Description:
With the general coach of the transition from panerai to manufacture movts., In mass models, came (apparently, not primarily) a series of white dials.
PAM312 in a black dial is not to say that it came to replace the PAM104, but clearly claimed it in the dreams of the brand's managers.
The line to PAM049 came 4 years later.
The fact is that for the "storage" of the new movt., A 1950 case appeared in 2009, and at the beginning it was only 44mm. Later in 2012, a 42mm version appeared, in which a version with a black pam392 dial was first released, and later a pam523 with a white one.
New movt., With new functions, new case, cyclops disappeared, but the dial in the new pam523 remains very close to the original automatic model.
The fonts of the numbers have not changed much, mainly it concerns "6" and "12" which began to repeat the shape of the numbers of the sandwich, became wider, and 6 became open.
Interestingly, there were no 4 lines of "automatic" on the 40mm model, apparently so as not to clutter up the dialblat of a smaller diameter (pam048 does not have one either, while pam104 does), and despite the fact that the watch has formally grown by 2mm (Small 1950 case 42mm, against 40mm bettarini), they decided not to look for a place, because it repeats the dial of its predecessor in everything, and by the way, the most common pam113 dial, except for the date window.
A year later, an adult 44mm variation of pam499 appears in this type of case with p.9000, its ref., Even reminiscent of its predecessor pam049, but they did not look for a place for an inscription reminding that this is an automatic watch.
Interestingly, unlike most of the model range of watches in this case (which is 42, which is 44mm.) They are completely polished, which makes them with a white glossy dial a little brighter, either in the direction of "richness" or "femininity" but just a little further from the submariners - saboteurs.
I think this development of this model was not done voluntarily, but with a clear understanding of who they want to sell it to and why.
Nevertheless, instead of one 40mm model, we got 2 at once and both were completely renewed, and a little more, because PANERAI with a diameter of 40mm is really quite small.
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PAM499
PAM523
REP:
- Description:
This rep was made in a number of versions by the v6f and zf factories. In fact, all the differences between the series boil down to different decoration options for p.9000 movt., A7750 or st2555, as is the case with all similar models at the time, like pam312, pam359 and others.
There were no VSF clones at that time, so from today, looking there, it is clear that if it is 7750 (balance wheel position at 11 @), and there is some kind of decoration, then this version is quite good. Although, I have nothing against the seagull, but when considering a model based on it, you should pay attention to the date font. If it is a standard movt for this (thin, including on a black background), then even with a decorative plate, it is most likely a cheap dhgate version, which upon closer examination will show many more shortcomings of the case and even the dial.
Otherwise, these 2 plants are roughly similar, V6F usually has better processing, but on a polyroan case, this may not be so obvious.
In the case of the 42mm model, everything is about the same, although the ZF version was rather uncommon(There are not many references, and on rare photos there are too many doubts that this is v6f) .However, if your choice is not based on the diameter in the first place, then it is better to take the 44mm model, in view of the more correct shape of the case.
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PAM499 ZF
PAM523 V6F
20/21. PAM1523 / 1499
GEN.
- Year: 2016 - present
- Movt: P.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM523 / 499
- "Model successor":
PAM1314 / PAM1394
- Description:
Since the models with a white dial are usually something additional, relative to the main ones, with a black one, they are offered with some delay from the moment when everything is already there. Also, of course, so that you can evenly present new items, and there were no empty years.
But the main reason why the previous PAM499 and PAM523 were produced for only 2-3 years, versus about 10 years for the PAM049 is the release of the new P.9010, thinner than the P.9000 and the new 1950 case, both 42 and 44mm.
The difference in shape is familiar to everyone, this case exists in the PANERAI lineup to this day, I will only note that for these two models, it is still completely polished.
Under the case and movement, the dial was also updated, the lume became patinated, as in the example with the pam630 and pam660, the logo was not added, but the inscription "automatic" was placed on both 44 and 42mm models, and in accordance with the fashion design trend of the brand in overall, the second hand turned blue.
There is a lot of discussion about the direction of these design trends, and how panerai sees the target audience of its creations with a white dial, but it must be admitted that this is the most "confectionary" integration of automatic luminors with a white dial.
Yes, pam049 and even more so pam051 looked just a gloomy piece of iron, compared to a thin, fully polished case with an elegant rounded profile and a glossy multicolored dial.
Leaving that as it is, in any case, this is a wonderful watch that clearly has its own personality, albeit with a trace of authentic Daylight, albeit in its sweetest form.
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PAM1523
PAM1499
REP:
And here the producers were mainly V6F and ZF.
Clone P.9010 is still a week old, so a decorated A7750 or ST2555 is used as movt.
In the case of the P.9000, the gull was a little more similar, yes, the balance position was still shifted by an hour (6 @, not 7 @), but still not on the opposite side, then in P.9010 the only correct option is A7750, because the balance wheel position is at 11 @ for both movt., correct.
In general, this is the case when the "light" version really is, and should be proportionally low, because, not only does it use the cheaper movt., But the appearance really suffers.
In addition to movt., You can always look at the height of the points of the dial lume, serifs on the CG and choose for yourself ZF or V6F.
Dhgate versions are swept aside by the same standard criteria: non-engraved or incorrectly engraved casebacks, recessed DW, standard date font, not decorated movt., And cases from pam499 / 523.
It is important here, please note that this is a new 1950 case, and you should always check the correctness of the profile when buying. New dials in old cases, this is the lot of all v1s from many factories when switching to a new design. I think everyone remembers this in the examples pam372, pam688, pam690 and others.
Also, please remember that the 42mm case is again less correct than the 44mm case, but in both cases the total reps thickness of any of the factories, with any movt., Is too large.
This is not critical, but you must understand it.
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22. PAM1314
GEN.
- Year: 2020 - present.
- Movt: p.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM1499
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
An absolutely new and unique dial, which has not been used anywhere else, but today in 2021 has already spread in a number of new models, apparently, is being strengthened in the lineup.
It is difficult to call it a full-fledged pam1499 receiver for several reasons; firstly, because this is not a reimagined Daylight, but just a completely new dial-up, which has a sandwich for the first time.
The texture itself is also not so matte, but directly loose, reminiscent of plaster.
We have already seen this texture in the gray shark for the PAM959, for example, or, as my friend and I call it "banana" PAM1075.
Also, it is not worth talking about the end of the Daylight era of the white dial, because I did not find information about the discontinuation of the sale of pam1499, and given that even with the same case, they use the same caliber, pam1314 has a solid caseback and movt. without full decoration and some functions.
What I mean is that these 2 models can stay in parallel in the panerai lineup, at least for a certain period, if they do not exist independently, given that, as I mentioned earlier, pam1499 looks quite sweet to my taste, and pam1314 is more strict, especially uyus considering that the midcase is satin, and theoretically, they can have different target audiences.
I would be only glad if it was an addition, not a replacement, but we will wait and see.
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REP.
- Description:
Finally, we got to the actual models, and this is the first from VSF, which we touched upon here.
Among other things, it is important that it is equipped with a P.9000 clone, unlike anything discussed earlier, and has a completely correct look ... but for a P.9000, while the GEN has a P.9010.
However, this is not so important, because pam1314 has a solid caseback and some functions of the clone p.9000 and gen p.9010 are similar.
Another thing is more important here, VSF made this model according to a professional photo, and put her hands painted with white paint to match the color of the dial, which is not correct, because GEN has polished steel hands.
At the time of writing, the expected V2 has not been announced, and there are no reasonable solutions to overcome this problem, because among other things, the color of the hand lume for the PAM1314 with a steel finish is unique and cannot be taken from another model, or from AM sellers.
Let's hope that VSF will correct this not difficult flaw, from the point of view of production, because for the consumer it is a real factual error in the most conspicuous place.
All other shortcomings standard for the latest VSF new 1950 are not significant, and you can read opinions on this in a variety of relevant topics.
In general, a good, beautiful watch for amateurs, but awaiting improvement, without which it cannot be called a full rep.
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23. PAM1394
GEN.
- Year: 2021
- Movt: P.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM1523
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In general, the situation with pam1314 is completely similar, just replace the ref.
It is possible, as with other models, to combine them into one item, but this is the current model of this year, and the closer to the present day, the more it is worth highlighting.
In fact, PAM312 with P.9000 turned into PAM1312 with P.9010, then it "simplified" to the original design of the dial color, simplified movt., Installed solid caseback, and the new pam1312 got blue and white versions of pam1313 and pam1314, respectively. The situation is exactly the same with 42mm models a year later.
This year there should be new pam1392, pam1393, pam1394.
Is this a continuation of pam1523 or is it a parallel, stricter and cheaper line of models - as I said, it is difficult to judge now, but now we have 2 parallel 42mm models with a white dial and a luminor 1950 case, and this is already a choice, which is always good.
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REP:
- Description:
The latest available VSF release with a white dial.
This happened quite recently, and while I have not even seen QC, there are still very few Photos gen, not to mention live photos, so here I will write only the already known moments, or what can be assumed theoretically.
This model, in contrast to the pam1314 44mm, received the correct steel polished arms, however it is not clear to me if the gen uses short arms in this 42mm 1950 generation, as was the case with the older models with a transparent backcase.
Also, this is not entirely obvious to rep. There is a suspicion that there are exactly the ones that should be in pam1314, and then with a high degree of probability we will have a V2 with compensated shortcomings, but not the correct 42mm.
On the backcase VSF we see WR100m, which is rather strange, because all 1950 42mm before that, had only 100m, but had a transparent backcase. 44mm models have 300m. Such protection from small pams had only 40mm in the bettarini case.
By the way, in the piggy bank of interesting facts, since we started talking here, 207a had 150m WR, so panerai is a brand with which you can be surprised at any moment.
Also this model, together with pam1393, has the first case for VSF 42mm 1950. It will clearly differ from the old ZF and V6F.
So far, I have not seen good and detailed photos, but most likely, the thickness will not be ideal, at about the same scale as with 42mm submersibles, and the excess thickness will entail a similar shift in proportions.
In addition to everything, this may be a specificity of the photo, but it seems to me that on the PAM1394 the lume of the dial looks darker. This is what seemed to me lacking in PAM1314, despite the "relativity" of such statements without personal inspection or gen / rep comparison, and what killed me for pam1662, which has a similar color.
I don't know if they fixed it on the watch, or just using a photo, or maybe a smaller dial reflects less light and gives a feeling of greater darkness of non-white elements, but if you compare the same photos of the dealers of these two models, then this feeling is quite obvious.
In any case, these are not yet confirmed facts, and the last, more from the category of assumptions, but information for thought, for those who wonder if rep is similar to gen.
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24. PAM602
REP: DSN, V6F
GEN.
- Year: 2014
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Having dealt with most of the automatic production models, let's return to HW bettarini for a change.
We have covered the main course of changes in the production models, now it is time to pay attention to the special series.
This is my personal favorite, the PAM785 set as a tribute to the PRE-V SLYTECH models, in a print run of 500 Q series kits, consisting of PAM594 as a reference to the exceptional 5218-218a, and PAM602, our subject of discussion, honoring the 5218-207A in the basic version of the dial.
In fact, in my opinion, it was a very cool idea, the set was sold in a beautiful box, with a pig model and a lot of necessary and not very attributes.
It's a little curious that a special limited set in honor of SLYTECH models does not really resemble them in "general outline", but is made really very cool, does not have the SLYTECH inscription.
In general, let's return to the target pam602, which will be discussed further.
The tribute is truly symbolic, as the pam113 / 114 series on the traditional 6497 based models was replaced with the new in-house p.5000 with a new case, and they decided to make this special series for the exotic couple at the origin, thus connecting the past and the present of the brand.
To do this, they did not just take the old pam113 dial, and not even a new one from pam563, but made a completely unique disc, which in most aspects repeated the 207A.
From the obvious, of course, there is no SLYTECH inscription, apparently since 2005 Stallone's rates have increased, and the circulation would have to be increased to 5,000 copies to recoup this LOL.
Also, it is clear that tritium is not used, it was replaced by a patinated lume, which we will see next time on a pair of PAM630 / PAM660.
But, interestingly, they returned the original Daylight numbers on the minute track around the circumference of the dial, by the way, for the first and last time.
Also, a special serif font was used, not very similar to PRE-V, but still unique for these editions.
Interestingly, for the sake of completeness, even the typical L SWISS L was removed, and not only because they had to copy the style of the PRE-V watch with a T dial, but also because the 207A did not have this inscription. There it was simply not printed (or deleted), but here they even extended the minute strips to the end so as not to leave a strange stain.
Nice attitude to detail.
The caseback is steel, with black paint on the engravings, which also complements the image well, considering that the thinner, less pronounced cushion cases for the p.5000 are indeed a little more like pre-v cases.
In general, as I said, in my opinion, it was a good release, which, after almost 20 years, after all the changes, brought us back to, albeit not the first white disc that came out of the factory, but the first Daylight dial.
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REP:
- Description:
Full set of PAM785 released by V6F.
Let me remind you, first, that it is impossible to make a superrep of a model using P.5000, due to the lack of movt suitable in thickness, so we immediately take as a basis that the proportions of the case are not entirely correct, and the thickness is slightly larger (about 1.5 mm).
V6F took into account all the details, but the font of the numbers is similar to that of the PAM563 of that time and is too thin, the dial fonts are also slightly thinner and not quite followed.
Lume is more beige, slightly lighter and less saturated.
Of course, everything is relative, but I think this is a noticeable drawback, but the cherry on the cake is that they used modern hands instead of pre-v.
Otherwise, everything is fine, especially if you notice that they were selling the entire PAM785 set for ~ $ 300, which now you cannot buy one typical VSF.
DSN also made this model, but at the end, he liked to mold a new watch from what it was, and when releasing this set, he used a caseback marked as OP7002 from PAM594, instead of OP6537, which relies on a typical steel case for P.5000, although in the serial number added the letter B which distinguishes the PAM602 because the PAM594 has the letter B.
Lume is not beige like V6F but too yellow, which is different, but also not like GEN.
The dial fonts are not perfect, but the hands are correct.
In general, both reps have their drawbacks, so you can get one that is easier and faster to obtain.
This is important because there are almost no white dials with a solid caseback besides it.
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PAM602 (PAM785B) V6F:
PAM602 (PAM785B) DSN:
25. PAM650
GEN.
- Year: 2016
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": 207A
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
A couple of years later, panerai repeated a double set this time PAM786 containing PAM649 destro with PVD and black seal lettering, and a white PAM650 dial in an attempt to pay tribute to the first 5218-207A variant with blue numerals and markers, which was disliked by the fashion police officer Stallone. and in this connection, the PANERAI designer had to think a little longer and invent the design of the Daylight white dial, which is still alive.
It looks rather peculiar, of course, the tritium was changed to luminova, and the color and shape of the fonts and numbers are not exactly the same, but nevertheless, this is a very specific and interesting specimen, to which, admittedly, it is difficult to find an alternative.
In general, a thing for collectors, and even more sophisticated than in 2014.
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REP
- Description:
Rep from v6f is made within the pam786 set and has a number of features typical for p.5000 models from this factory.
I don't see them often on sale m2m, although it was a bargain at the time.
If you want to touch this part of the story, buy it when it turns under your arm and you won't regret it.
I will not once again talk about the thickness, the shape of the case, the correspondence of the blue color to what is used in gen, you just can see all this yourself if you have time to get them.
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26. PAM518
GEN.
- Year: 2014
- Movt: OP.XXV
- "Model predecessor": PAM007
- "Model successor": PAM654
- Description:
Let's continue our discussion of special episodes.
And now, one of the most special.
2014 was a very fruitful year for white dials, but among the serial novelties, there were 3 special editions PAM519, PAM520 and the topic of discussion was the white dial PAM518.
All 3 are chronographs in a Radiomir 1940 case made of precious metals, with minimum editions, different dials and a chronograph movement with 2 sub-dials and hand winding.
PAM520 Rose Gold With Sandwich, PAM519 White Gold With California And PAM518 Platinum With White Sausage Dial.
In fact, tying it to pam007 mare nostrum is an incredible convention, but in fact, they have in common, as in a chronograph with two registers, and the 1940 radioworld is not so far from MN as Luminor.
Nevertheless, I will not insist, this is just my association.
This is a completely independent watch, like some other special editions, and a completely unique dial that was combined with a platinum case.
Especially nice to see the SLC sausage dial, with a white disc and chronograph complication.
Despite the fact that this is pure gamble, to go far from the original look, but it is clearly a success.
This is a good, rare, expensive watch, with a unique dial, which we will see in a slightly modified form, and a wonderful movement.
I think this is one of the most beautiful and expensive pumps with a white dial.
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REP:
- Description:
There are representatives of all 3 models from V6F.
They are not perfect (how much is it possible to make a good REP platinum watch at all?), But very beautiful and give a good feel on the wrist.
There are many alternatives on the dhgate and Ali level, including those with a quartz movement.
The identification version is described in great detail in the ALE PAM GUIDE, and is repeated in the topics when someone asks to identify the next find.
I see no reason to repeat this, I will just attach a couple of photos of these V6Fs so that you can compare and understand, in different lighting.
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27. PAM654
GEN.
- Year: 2017
- Movt: P.9100
- "Model predecessor": PAM518
- "Model successor": PAM1218
- Description:
In 2017, a series of 3 chronographs with FLYBACK function were introduced, in honor of the brand-sponsored PCYC.
PAM652 titanium with a diameter of 47mm, PAM653 steel with a diameter of 44mm, and PAM654 steel with a 44mm diameter with a white dial.
This trio is a bit like the 2014 trio, only in the field of sailing.
It is also the white dial of this model that unites them, it is also the white SLC with patinated sausage lume, and the chronograph markings with two accumulators.
This is a beautiful model, with a very unusual dial for luminor models, which really makes it very special, but at the same time not familiar.
I think for those who wanted the pam518 for their unique design, this is a great chance to get it at a significantly lower price and greater availability.
Of course, this is not platinum, but not a common, typical and really beautiful model.
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REP:
- Description:
As with all Flyback models based on p.9100, there are no reps for it.
Moreover, unlike most models of this caliber, I have not even seen cheap quartz attempts with this dial.
Well, fortunately, rep pam518 v6f is more accessible than gen, and there is still a chance to have this dial in a different form.
28. PAM655
GEN.
- Year: 2017
- Movt: P.4000
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The description above PAM652, PAM653 and PAM654 were united by one format and purpose, but PAM655, released in the same year, is logically connected with PAM654 white dial.
This is a clean and understandable 42 mm radiomir 1940 in a thin case with an asymmetric rotor, like the pam933 with a blue dial, pam572 with a black one, and pam573 in a red gold case.
In contrast to these colors, this is the first and last so far white serial radiomir.
It carries the standard Daylight layout, with the patinated lume characteristic of all the latest models in any cases, except for the Radiomir inscription, which is found on the white dial only in this case, and on pam518, although it does not have a classic dial in this sense of the word.
In general, white dials have always had a slight bias towards small and elegant models, and this is a logical step in the period of active development of the line of small 1940 radiomirs and luminors due, which will be discussed in more detail later.
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REP:
- Description:
There is no rep of this model. There is only a pam572 with a p.4000 caliber and an asymmetric rotor.
29. PAM1218
GEN.
- Year: 2021
- Movt: P.9200
- "Model predecessor": PAM654
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The successor to pam654, I designated it again rather tentatively.
This is a new series of new chronographs in a new case.
We have not seen live photos yet, but this year has prepared a line of at least 5 models pam1109 with a black dial, pam1110 with a blue dial, and including a bracelet option, a gold pam1111, pam1303 Luna Rossa with a blue dial and, of course, this pam1218 with a white one.
This is a continuation of the idea of pam1314 and pam1394 with a rough white sandwich and a gray lume.
A beautiful new dial, now in chronograph format.
Also, this is a new chronograph 1950 44mm case with a new narrow bezel to visually enlarge the dial.
Also, it should be noted that this is a rather thin panerai watch for a chronorraph, about 15.5mm.
The back has a solid backcase, which clearly suits the manufacturers of quartz reps.
In fact, I'm ready to say that this is a completely new watch in all respects, and I really like it.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
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REP:
- Description:
Rep is not a model, and there are very big doubts that it will appear, for the reasons described in many posts, including about pam654.
The location of the chronograph buttons on the other side of the case makes this incomprehensible to factories.
Make hidden pushers on the right and fake buttons on the left by placing st19 in the wrong way, which will allow you to sell it in large quantities like a high-class rep.
Nevertheless, the chronographs in which it is possible to install the HW ST19 are destiny of rare special editions, and it is not a fact that this will be repeated more, given the brand's increasing manufacturing bias, and the age of chronographs based on the 7750/7753 is clearly over.
As a result, a very significant accumulation of GEN chronograph models and at the same time the highest popularity is required for factories to make a clone.
Honestly, looking at how clones are being implemented on other brands, I would not really hope, but everything is possible, and I think we would all be happy about it, and even experienced some increased cost, in relation to typical rep pams on the usual movts ...
30/31. PAM906 / PAM903
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor": PAM1523
- "Successor Model": PAM1046 / PAM1043
- Description:
The following year, from the start of the development of the Luminor Due collection, the first white dials of this series appeared.
In essence, they further revealed the "feminine" side of pam1523 with bright glossy dials and a small 42mm slim case.
Now, thanks to the new thin in-house calibers, the even smaller thickness of 10.8mm has become better and to the 42mm diameter of the pam906, a new panerai diameter of 38mm for the pam903 has been added, which makes it even smaller than grandfather (or grandmother?) Pam049 by 2mm and thinner by half a centimeter ...
The dial has also undergone changes, and received the blue color of the Daylight layout, and only 2 lines, which is rather meager compared to 4 lines for pam1523.
Also, the black color of the symbols was replaced with blue, and the same blue hands, which is actually quite stylish in my opinion, and also refers us to the first version of 207A, as well as pam650.
In fact, until recently, blue hands on panerai were generally quite rare, if not to talk about the second.
Also, in fairness, it should be noted that from white, the dial has become closer to ivory. But I prefer to think of it as just a new design language, and it probably won't be called "beige" either.
On the way of differentiation and multiplication of white dials for all target audiences, it seems that a picore has been reached in the female target audience, taking into account the range, thickness and diameter.
However, PANERAI neither affirms nor denies anything, therefore these watches are still positioned as unisex, which for many fans of the brand already sounds like = womens.
However, the choice is always pleasant, especially because it does not have to be made.
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PAM906:
PAM903:
REP:
- Description:
We have rep pam906 from vsf, with all the family-wide problem suite. This is the wrong thickness, caused by the use of the p.9000 clone, which was already large in size for pam1499 / pam1535, but here it becomes completely critical, and the entire projection of the case floats, including even the CG profile.
The functions of the P.9000 also do not apply to this model, so only the solid back cover saves this failure from complete.
For pam903 in 38mm, VSF did not even try, because making an extra case, for the obviously not the most winning form factor, and even with real disparities, would be completely divorced from the reality of entrepreneurship.
We have this watch because it bears little resemblance to anything else.
Moreover, there are more ladies' watches, traditionally lower requirements for accuracy in relation to GEN.
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PAM906 VSF:
32/33. PAM741 / PAM756
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: P.1000 / OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor":
- "Successor Model": PAM1042 / PAM1045
- Description:
By analogy with the PAM906 and PAM903, these are even models with cases made of gold and golden hands, only blue.
It is interesting that the disc remained the same, however, the lines were changed a little.
Activity visibility is created and the new model is ready.
Also, pam741 was made with p.1000, unlike pam906, and showed it due to a transparent caseback in a beautifully processed form, but on pam756 they showed a rather mediocre OP.XXXIV, which the brand later chose to call P.900 and hide under a solid backcase. as I can imagine (I do not really know), without a full-fledged finishing.
Otherwise, this was the last (the penultimate, as we learned in 2021, after seeing the mother-of-pearl dial), when a gold case was added to the white dial (for the first time).
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PAM741:
PAM756:
REP:
- Description:
Here VSF took the last step into the abyss, since they did not have an adequate replacement for the P.1000, and even with such a beautiful finish, and the 38mm diameter is not possible, due to the lack of a case, they essentially made a PAM756 with a P.9000 clone, instead of OP.XXXIV, which is okay, in spite of the different design and functions, but at least the balance position at 7 @ is the same, but in a 42mm case, that is, from the PAM741 model ...
We rarely talk about the GEN correspondence of gold watches, it is even more difficult if the watch is female, but here it turned out just a mixture of everything at once.
I think the one who wants the smallest gold rep pam in a gold case is not mistaken, for the rest, there are more interesting options.
Nevertheless, thanks to the factory for at least giving the opportunity to get, in some form, this truly exceptional combination.
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34/35. PAM1046 / PAM1043
GEN.
- Year: 2019
- Movt: P.900
- "Model predecessor": PAM903 / PAM906
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The latest evolution of the white dial in the luminor due collection is reflected here.
Ivory dial, patinated gold-colored sausage, steel hands.
This falls more into the logic of the new dials pam1314, pam1394, pam1218 with a sandwich of a whiter and coarser color, and here it is more yellow, softer and sausage of a warm shade, against a harsh gray.
I think this is how panerai decided to separate the male and female white dials by this time.
The classic layout with black numbers remained only in pam1499 / pam1523, and the previous DUEs, which were mentioned above, because, for example, looking at the logical transition, I have no information about the termination of their production yet.
However, meet it like this on the 42mm PAM1046, and the 38mm diameter twin PAM1043.
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PAM1046:
PAM1043:
REP:
- Description:
VSF made as usual a 42mm model, as in the previous generation of DUE white dials. Not a single "generic" disease of rep due has been resolved, but many doubts have been added about the color of the dial and lume, which, however, are caused by the absence of even QC in the thread of this model on the forum.
I really hope there will be someone who reads this and there is only one to share photos.
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PAM1046 VSF:
36/37. PAM1042/PAM1045
GEN.
- Year: 2019
- Movt: P.900 / OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor": PAM741 / PAM765
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In complete analogy with the previous generation, we have 42 and 38 mm versions, which are also equipped with gold hands, and a transparent caseback.
This time there were no difficulties, all models have one movt., And are automatic with PR 3 days, and the lines of the dial are accordingly the same.
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PAM1042:
PAM1045:
REP:
- Description:
This time VSF was relatively lucky and didn't have to confuse movts. The 42mm pam1042 is made with a p.9000 clone labeled p.900, and everything related to pam1046 can be referred to here as well.
I'm glad that despite not the greatest demand and the most accurate match to gen, they keep trying. I hope, further, they will continue this with actual improvements, and not at the current level, after a year.
However, enjoy one of the sweetest panerai white dials.
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PAM1042 VSF:
38. PAM791
PAM791
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: P.3000
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In this case, I will not fantasize with any thoughts about what or from what this model was going.
This is a special watch, released in a pair of PAM790 / PAM791 with a completely unique appearance.
Case 47mm radiomir 1940 and a pair of unique dials, as they are called by panerai, art deco, which have never been repeated anywhere else. And this applies not only to the layout of the dial, but also to the hands.
In fact, the dial is rather beige, although it is positioned as ivory.
This is an unusual model, and in fact, I mentioned it at the end of the story because I forgot about it several times in the process of writing, then I thought that this was not entirely on the topic of the thread, then I returned again, but in the end I decided to write.
I won't write much, just take a look at the photo and enjoy.
This is a truly unique watch and yes, I find it to be one of the finest examples of a white dial.
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REP:
- Description:
Rep of this model is not, which many regret, given that during the clones of p.3000 from SF and ZF the latter really had a chance to do it, and do it right, but no.
And now I don’t think I’ll come back to this.
But if there is a renaissance of these clones, or perhaps the ZF factory, it would be a gorgeous return to the world of rep pams, which many of us would like, remembering their pam372, pam557, pam605, 687, 690 and many others.
Let's hope.
39. PAM225
GEN.
- Year: 2005
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Well, of course, after 8 almost feminine DUE models, I couldn't help but compensate for that with the most brutal white dial model one could think of.
It is one of 6 SLYTECH models, and one of only 2 47mm submersiles.
Absolutely wild 47mm chronograph 1000m.
There were released 2 versions with black (PAM202) and white dials, autographed by Stallone on the backcase as in the old pre-v times.
The only real analogue is pam187 with a black dial, so unlike it, PAM202 and PAM225 do not have a date, which is generally rare for submersible, and even more so for a chronograph.
You already know everything about this model, so just enjoy the photo, and note that one of the most famous and exclusive submersibles was equipped with a white dial, and even in a smaller edition, due to which, the prices for this model, although it does not apply to vintage, noticeably exceed RP.
And yes, pay attention to the contrasting finishes of the various elements, which casts serious doubt on the description of the PANERAI material as completely titanium.
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REP:
- Description:
This is a well-known and one of the most demanded rep pams.
It was rendered with an L dial and made of steel, not titanium.
There are many other shortcomings that are not easy to list, and easier to show, but this will be a separate topic.
Moreover, there was only one adequate version, and as everyone knows, it is not so easy to get it, modifications, with the exception of re-lume, are almost useless, there are no other versions with better replacement parts, and gen details are exceptional, and we know here on the forum only one famous franken 225.
Nevertheless, we must pay tribute to that factory, despite all the shortcomings, they clearly did not know at that time that they would make the most wanted model, after so many years.
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Output:
What do we end up with?
In fact, not a little.
Firstly, we have 39 gen models (which by the way is not a lot, compared to blue dials), of which 26 are rep, not counting various versions, factories and series. I'm not afraid of this word, most of it is done.
In the process, we saw a number of models develop and differentiate, essentially from one 5218-207A with blue markers to 14 models that are being produced at the same time today.
Bettarini with a white dial started in the PRE-V era, split into marina and base, passed PRE-A, A, got a transparent caseback, and split into parallel 8 and 3 day lines.
At this time, one mare nostrum spun off from itself and made an automatic pam, in parallel they released 3 chronographs, one of which is even 47mm submersible, and entered the era of manufacturing movts., Already in two diameters, 42 and 44mm, underwent restyling with the movt update., then they again divided into elegant DUE, and the classic LUMINOR 1950, and in the first, they even branched out into 2 sizes (42 and 38mm) and two materials (steel and gold).
And that's not counting the many special models, both throwbacks to the past with the PAM650 and PAM602, and to the future with the new PAM1218 chronographs.
As a result, the entire history of the brand, we have white dials in the collection.
Rep world has also had them for about 15 years, they give us the opportunity to get an unusual and fresh, for some summer, for some feminine, but classic, historically important and always bright, PANERAI WITH A WHITE NUMBER.
Thanks to everyone who took the time to read, I hope this has answered some questions, both regarding the existence or existence of some original models and "Which rep panerai with white dial can I buy?"
Also, local markets usually have a lot of low quality fancy reps with white dials, for example:
and this post will help you understand what happens and what doesn't.
I apologize if, for some reason, I missed your favorite model with a white dial, just write and I will include it in this review.
Thanks again for your attention and patience while reading long texts, good luck finding what you are looking for and wish to be healthy!
KOT.
Today we will talk this time about the white dial.
This is not the most common phenomenon for PANERAI, with which everyone has different associations, like women, summer, vintage, Asian-oriented, and many others, but certainly not native to the brand.
Everyone has the right to treat this as he wants, but we will try to trace how the white dials appeared, changed and developed in the brand's collection.
In any case, PANERAI is primarily a black dial, well, maybe blue. All other colors are either secondary or exotic.
But white is a classic, it is present in the lineup of almost any brand, so let's see what we have, as usual in my narrative, both in the world of GEN and REP.
For orientation in the development of the brand, I will go not in ascending order of Refs., But according to the logic of development, in chronological order, or at least according to the logic of how I see it, and invite you to take a look.
So let's go.
1. 5218-207A
GEN:
- Year: 1995
- Movt: ETA6497
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": 207a with black markers.
- Description:
First attempt at a white dial from panerai.
There is enough information with a detailed description of what it is, why it appeared, how, how many there really are, but I will not retell it, this is not difficult to find on the Internet.
It is important to say that in fact, this is one of the variations of 207A, made first, in fact, from the converted 5218-201a, for experimental purposes. Stallone did not appreciate the blue numbers, not forgetting to grab a few for himself, in case of future auctions lol, returned them to panerai, which did not finish the whole batch, some were remade for the next dial, and some were sold at the very least.
As a result, today, this is probably the most expensive and rare white panerai dial, which was not forgotten, and even 20 years later they tried to reissue it in a special series.
It is important for us that this is the very first white dial that I know of, as well as a rare combination with blue markers and hands, which is generally unique, albeit controversial from a stylistic point of view.
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REP:
- Description:
In 2006-2008, the only rep of this model known to me was available, it was a period without the names of factories, the models were usually named after the name of the dealer from whom they could be bought.
This is clearly not something that will meet your expectations from rep panerai, out of the habit of judging quality according to the noob standards of the best time, or today's VSF, but admittedly, a very curious thing that today can only be found by chance.
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2.5218-207A
GEN.
- Year: 1996
- Movt: ETA6497
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A (blue dial)
- "Successor model": pam003 / 010
- Description:
The second variation of this model, which has already received the familiar Daylight dial, which we will see in many models without a few special inscriptions.
The bottom line is that on the white dial, the numbers must be made contrasting for readability, respectively, they are black, black is paint, they do not shine, and lume have only hands and small dots at 3, 6, 9, and 2 pieces at 12.
Also, one cannot fail to mention a distinctive feature, at that time, it is a minute scale with numbers and minute markers.
It is worth noting that, unlike black flat dials, this white one, and the following ones, has this scale around a circle that is textured, as well as a second sub-dial, which in general is more typical of automatic pams that appeared later.
In general, this is the second variation from the first 207a, it is considered a little more common but still very expensive. I trust experienced brand historians to count their number, it is important that there are dozens of them, and one usually hangs on sale.
In fact, this is the beginning of the era of white dials, which shows that this idea was with panerai back in the PRE-V era.
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REP:
- Description:
This model was produced only by DSN, for quite a long time, on a par with all PRE-V, and as it should be his products, it is difficult to find 2 identical to be an objective opinion.
Either way, this is the only option, and there are absolutely perfect specimens, with a PRE-V adapted case, crown aligned and CG.
It should be noted that in any case, this is an excellent and very beautiful dial, for which I do not know any alternatives, but the backcase could have been better, in terms of thickness, and most importantly - autograph engraving.
I wonder why this happened, given that other SLYTECHs from regular dealers had quite acceptable autograph engravings. Optimally complement it with a special Jacob backcase.
In any case, this is a unique model that I personally like very much, and if you like PRE-V pams, it will be a wonderful and fresh addition to their collection, as well as one of the few, conditionally "factory" version of bettarini with a white dial and solid caseback.
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3. PAM007
GEN.
- Year: 1997
- Movt: ETA2801-2
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Here I will move a little from reasonable logic in the order of listing for several reasons, the first of which, it's over, is that this is the only Mare Nostrum with a white dial that has not been developed in the collection with this color.
Yes, later there were completely different chronographs, but in different cases, with different movts, and I see the point to consider them independently.
Also, further we will talk primarily about bettarinin models, and they will traditionally go in a pair of marina + base, therefore, to speed up the process, we will continue to move along 2 models for a while.
So, back to the subject of discussion, pam007.
This is one of 9 MN pams, and one of three belonging to the PRE-A series, in which black, blue and white dials were released.
Formally, PRE-A, this is 1997, however, they were produced later, and as watchbase correctly writes in this case, this is actually a watch between 1997 and 1999 of production.
These are not the first attempts of modern PANERAI, to recreate the historical MN, but as they say, supposedly, there were no documents or samples, so it was invented anew, and invented in this way, in a 42mm case, with a sausage, and a tachymeter on the bezel.
In any case, any MN Panerai is a unique watch, especially from the PRE-A era, and even more so with a white dial, which, even with a suitable amount, would be rather difficult to find for purchase.
In general, a real unicorn, which cannot be called a predecessor, probably no other model, the only one in its collection, and it has received any form of continuation today. I think we'll see something like this again when the more obvious moves for the new panerai design come to an end.
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REP.
- Description:
No, unfortunately, like any other 42mm mare nostrum.
4/5. PAM003 (Marina) / PAM010 (Base)
GEN:
- Year: 1997 - 2001
- Movt: OP.I / OP.II
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A
- "Successor Model": PAM113 / PAM114
- Description:
Next, let's go through bettarini, which were produced with some exceptions in pairs marina + base, and this case is no exception.
This pair is a logical development of the PRE-V 5218-207A, only now without communication with Stallone, and in a serial production format.
They are distinguished by their standard caseback and the absence of SLYTECH and Daylight on dial.
The disc itself is essentially the same, and T lume is also used.
However, on the minute scale of the circle, the 5 minute digits were removed and lume dots were placed in their place, for every hour, not just 3,6,9,12 as it was before.
They started with the PRE-A series, and in fact, 003/010 repeats 001/002 with a black dial, or 004/009 with a PVD coating.
In fact, in the original concept of the Vendome, it was already planned to have white dials, on a par with the rest of the standard options.
Like all panerai of that time, during the release period, they underwent a lot of small changes, with the change of cases from 6500 to pre-a / 6502/6518 to 6520 in C and D series.
Also, from the middle of the B series, L dials began to appear (although given the number of lume, there is more trouble in the inscription at the bottom of the dial), and the C, D series as a result are completely rubbed.
This watch used the standard OP.I and OP.II for base and marina respectively, flesh until 2002, when the first modernization of these models took place according to the standard scenario of all luminors bettarini of those years.
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PAM010 L DIAL:
PAM003 T DIAL:
REP:
- Description:
I have not seen the factory reps of these models, except for dsn builds with L dials (in fact, from pam113 / pam114), and separately ordered backcases.
It's a shame, given that with a solid caseback, this would be a good contender for a superrep.
If you have a good C or D series backcase, you can do it yourself, however I have not seen rep T dials to create PRE-A / A / B series. If someone even has one - share it, it is interesting to see and find out who did it and when.
6/7. PAM113 (Marina) / PAM114 (Base)
- Year: 2002 - 2013
- Movt: OP.X, OP.XI
- "Model predecessor": PAM003 / PAM010
- "Model successor":
PAM561 / PAM563
- Description:
Since 2002, as in the situation with pam001, pam002, the models with white dials pam003 and pam010 received a transparent backcase, new movt., OP.X and an updated case, with a change of REF, to PAM113 and PAM114.
In this form, the model was produced for a long time, on a par with pam111 and pam112, and some others, in the process there were inter-serial changes, in which the lume points became larger, the fonts of the numbers were thicker, modern hands switched to pre-v, movt., Was updated from OP .X to OP.XI, and CG got skinny, satin-finished and then got a cutscene.
In fact, the whole game with these small changes, which all bettarinin HW models of that time were subjected to, deserves a separate post, because everything happened in different years, and more than once, and these details are enough, but here we are just we note a fact that should be taken into account when buying gen, in relation to the compliance of all parts with the year of release, as well as when assembling franken pams for 113 and 114, and we will consider this situation in detail another time.
Photo:
PAM113 E series:
PAM114 N series:
REP.
- Description:
These models were produced by NOOB, HF, DSN.
For modern series, NOOB is optimal, it is made at level 111 and has the main disadvantages in connection with the transparent backcase.
If you are interested in an early 113/114 with OP.X (as on pam127) with polished CG and other hints of a non-trivial choice, then the only option is DSN. I do not think that many of them have been made, and they have become widespread, but there is always a chance to find them.
Considering that there were several series, and many less expensive old reps n / n factories, I recommend not so much trying to identify the factory as looking at the clock.
- The line in a circle with dots and minute stripes must be aligned with the print of the dial, this is easily identifiable in relation to L SWISS L which is equal to them in a very specific way.
- The lume points should not be flat but hemispheres.
- The paint of numbers and indices must be glossy.
- All aspects of the case, including addictive CG, interior corners.
- Matching hands (modern / pre-v) and CG (thin / thick, satin-finished / polished with or without roller) series of specific watches.
In general, it is optimal to simply get the O series NOOB for both models, but later, I will definitely write a separate post on the inter-series changes of bettarini hw models, so that the choice of rep is not only directive, based on the declared factory, but also deliberate, based on the correspondence of all elements a specific model of a specific year.
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PAM114 NOOB O SERIES:
PAM114 HF O SERIES:
PAM114 DSN E SERIES:
8/9. PAM049 / PAM051
GEN.
- Year: 1999 - 2010
- Movt: OP.III
- "Model predecessor": PAM003
- "Model successor":
PAM499
- Description:
Already in the B series, the first automatic pam with a white dial appeared. I don’t know how the sales of pam003 and pam010 went, but the thought of lighter colors suitable for women, and a certain opinion that white dials are popular in the Asian market, together, possibly with some other factors, influenced the decision, and the first automatic pam with a white dial, was also the first 40mm model, along with pam048 and pam050 carrying black dials on the strap and bracelet respectively.
And many more years will pass before we get the first 44mm automatic pam, which we will talk about later.
In fact, pam049 and pam051 differ simply as versions with a strap and a steel combined (polished / satin) bracelet of the old style, as well as a strap on pam049 which is 22mm wide.
The model was produced for a long time, now it is not produced, as far as I know, and the last pam049 I saw dates from 2010 and 2009 for the pam051 version of the bracelet, although the model, which logically continues the white dial of a smaller diameter in the automatic version, appeared only in 2013, and the PAM048 with black dial in 2017 fell under the general trend of automatic models on movt., based on the 7750, which survived in the model range until this year, such as pam088, pam104, pam024, pam090 and so on, and turned into the "new" pam1048 and is produced today ...
However, pam049 did not suffer such a fate, but the model received a different development already on the basis of a 1950 case, which will be discussed later.
As a result, we have a model that managed to stay in the lineup for a very long time, despite the combination of rather specific and unpopular qualities, such as a white dial, which, by the way, is one of the changes from pam003, in addition to changing the proportion in accordance with the diameter, the inscription "automatic" and dates on 3 @, in fact, did not undergo major changes, and still a slightly exotic size of 40 mm, in which there were enough models at that time (almost all automatic models had a 40 mm version), but the only one containing the target of our discussion is the white dial.
It should be noted that, like most models produced for a long period, there were minor inter-serial changes, such as the appearance of a high-quality CG, the appearance of a roller on the lever, a quick change system for straps, instead of screw rods and a new crown shape.
- Photo:
PAM049 from the front early series:
PAM049 rear late series:
PAM051:
REP:
- Description:
This model was first sold from n / n factories until 2010, and was of a very controversial quality, like all 40mm pams of the time. I used A23J or 7750, had a thin date font, and was far from the most correct case, especially you need to be careful with the backcase.
A second life for this model was given by the V6F (XF) factory which made a pair of pam048 with a black dial and pam049 with a white one. They did not make PAM050 and PAM051, but if desired, it is quite possible to find a 22mm bracelet and try to install it on V6F pam. It may need a little tweaking, but the com insertion would be really good, given the 22mm bracelet and 40mm pam, it won't be that heavy.
There are no special complaints about this rep, I would even think about superrep, at the level of pam104 / 299. The v6f had a problem with the date wheel, more precisely the beige print color, but as far as I know, it did not apply to the model with a white dial, especially since dealers often supplied the correct DW in the kit for self-replacement.
This is a good and not common watch that has a number of typical minor flaws, but given the lack of alternatives, if you wanted a 40mm automatic PAM with a white dial, this would be your only reasonable way out.
Yes, in terms of identification, everything is simple. The PAM049 xf repeats the old F series, and you can always recognize it from it without unnecessary complications.
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PAM049 V6F (XF):
PAM051 N / N:
10. PAM188
GEN.
- Year: 2004 - 2006
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Successor Model": PAM251
- Description:
The first chronograph in this case with a black dial appeared only 5 years later, after the first automatic model, to complement the pam196 with a black dial, released a year earlier.
It is difficult to say that this is a continuation of pam007, because a completely different case, diameter, type of movement, and there is little in common between them.
However, further, there will be a little more quantity.
On the already familiar white dial of the pam113 type, there are 2 more subdials of the minute and hour windows of the drive, as well as dates, by analogy with 40mm chronographs, and again, for the first time since 1996, the Daylight inscription appeared, referring to the PRE-V times and SLYTECH, although it should be noted that all panerai chronographs from 40mm up to the second generation of 2006 were based on this design pattern. Apparently, they saw the abundance of numbers as the most suitable for the chronograph, and along with the general scheme, the Daylight inscription migrated, which already had a weak semantic connection. Although, of course, there were exceptions, like AMG chronographs with a different font.
Overall, the aesthetics of the ancestor dial has been preserved as much as possible, given that the date, 2 sub dials and 3 hands have been added. It still looks contrasty, clean and not as busy as if the background were black. By the way, the date, fortunately, also has a white background.
You can even take it out without a discimetric scale, according to the example of MN, which allows you to unload a little, despite the fact that they did not put 5 minute digits from the dial 207A.
In any case, no matter how it was, this is one of 2 chronographs in this case, with a white dial, and there were even more blue ones.
I heard the opinion that over the years it is the chronographs on the OP.XII that will be the most valuable, and in this case, outside of the special series, the white dial can actually become quite valuable, due to its less prevalence.
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REP:
- Description:
Many versions of models were produced, a pair from NOOB and HF and a number of N / N, and both relatively high-quality and not.
Objectively, many years ago, in detail and clearly, all the differences between noob from hf and 2010 from versions of 2013, where all the necessary points that you need to know for accurate identification and understanding of the rep / Gen differences are described, so I will not quote, but simply indicate what you should pay attention to when trying to buy:
Correct move, for this 7753 model having a 10 @ button on the side of the case to set the date. There were versions from 7750, where the button is pressed, but does not do anything, but is installed with a crown - this is not desirable.
The date wheel should be located immediately under the dial, the sunken date is evidence of either 7750 movt, or another, incorrect one.
All hands, except for the central one at the chrono-oraph, should be black, because this is a white dial.
Don't be afraid of bracelets, many dealers have hung old-style bracelets on chrono-oraphs to "sweeten" the deal.
I believe that if all these conditions are met, then not depending on what kind of factory it is, this is a good watch that is worth buying.
This is clearly not something that will reappear in rap factories, or will return to the gen lineup. For those who love the chronograph dial itself, this is a very good and valuable watch that also accepts parts and has the option of installing a swiss 7753, for those who might care about it.
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11. PAM251
GEN.
- Year: 2006 - 2008
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": PAM188
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In fact, this is the second and last serial repetition of chronographs, as were the pam196 and pam188, so here is the pam250 with a black dial and pam251 with a white one.
The second and last chronograph in this case, but the last one, in principle, with this functionality.
The dial has undergone obvious significant changes, in line with the renewed design vision for the entire chronograph line of those years, with black and blue dials.
In fact, from now on, the authentic Daylight (whatever this word originally means) will no longer have a dial in the model range of chronographs.
- Photo:
REP:
- Description:
This model was produced by HF and NOOB, and the latter did not come across to my eyes.
This is in any quality rep, at the level of any other chronograph, and most of the requirements for evaluation are the same as with pam188.
They are not so common in any decent performance, so, if possible, I would recommend paying attention to them.
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12/13. PAM561 (Base) / PAM563 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2014 - present. time.
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": PAM113 / 114
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Let's go back to the main line of bettarini models.
The dial, like the watch that carries it, has already undergone several eras, PRE-V (2 dials 207A), PRE-A and early series (PAM003 and PAM010), existed the golden age of PANERAI in the form (PAM113 and PAM114), gave several side branches , to which we were distracted, and now, another round of history with the transition to manufacturing movts., in the desire of the brand to increase its status and, at the same time, revenue.
As a result, this time, our main marina / base pair was comprehended by more serious changes.
With the new in-house caliber p.5000, with HW and PR 8 days, the inscription indicating this appeared on the dial, moving the already familiar ones.
The numbers and markers have become a little thinner again, the modern hands have returned, and most importantly, the case has changed the proportions and became thinner, also under the transparent caseback, demonstrating the new movt.
Otherwise, for an unprepared person, or not a fan of the brand, it will seem that only the price and power reserve have changed. Lol.
However, this is a new watch, and the white dials have survived as the entire HW line has been moved to a new format, along with black and tobacco dials, and some special editions, which we'll talk about later.
- Photo:
PAM561:
PAM563:
Caseback:
REP:
- Description:
On the rep scene at this moment the confrontation between ZF and V6F was unfolding and a collection of 8 day models also got into it. White dials are no exception.
Both factories did not comply with the thickness, although they tried to copy a slightly different shape of the case, in particular, a pillow with lugs.
There are quite enough details that can be discussed, I think at some point, it will be time to compare the ZF and V6F cases of that solution for models on the P.5000, but since the gen thickness became 1.5 mm less and the rep remained in the former 15mm, the comparison would probably be too academic.
Most importantly, the ZF had a P.5000 clone, while the V6F did not.
This is important, first of all, in connection with the appearance, because the decorated 6497 is a very conditional decoration, given that the balance wheel has the wrong position, size, and its own balance bridge is clearly visible.
The clone from ZF also has decoration, and therefore does not allow observing the thickness, but in addition to visually, a fairly accurate effect (well, there are still no inertial controls on the balance wheel, and the decorative gears are obvious at the first glance), there is a decent PR due to 2 barrels.
By the way, movt is good and it had a lot of complaints, or not much more than gen panerai.
By the way, my friend measured PR and accuracy on P.5000 and GEN clones with this movt., And the difference was in favor of gen for a couple of days and a couple of minutes for the entire winding cycle.
However, it is strange that ZF did not consider it necessary to make pam561, but only pam563.
The V6F has both models, but they decided to fit the pre-v arms like the apm113 / 114 than in addition to the mediocre decoration in the back, they also spoiled them in the front.
This is probably why the latest v6f were sold from toro for $ 130.
In general, when choosing rep, you need to watch out for the clone, or 6497 inside us, as well as, for the hands, modern or pre-v.
Otherwise, in the absence of pam563 zf, in the world of rep it was not possible to maintain the level of overall accuracy during this transition to manufacture movt., However, as expected.
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PAM563 ZF:
PAM561 V6F:
14/15. PAM630 (Base) / PAM660 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2016 - 2018
- Movt: OP.I / OPII
- "Model predecessor": PAM113 / PAM114
- "Successor Model": PAM 775/778
- Description:
First, about the general concept: A complete transition from models based on 6497 to models based on p.5000 due to the significantly increased cost and a lot of complaints about 8-day HW movts., It did not happen, it was not correct to return the earlier models in their current form, therefore after a couple of years saw the light of one of the most disappointing moves on the part of the brand.
A typical 6497 bettarini received a new case with slightly altered proportions, a thinner crystal, a pressed-in bezel, a caseback slave instead of a thread, springbars instead of screw rods, the simplest modification 6497, WR 100m, and on some models, a very simplified dial structure and even no roller on lever CG.
For all the humiliations, instead of the retail price pam563 (as an example) $ 6600, pam660 cost $ 5000, which is $ 600 cheaper than pam113 with the loss of all of the above.
I don’t want to interfere with my individual emotions in this, but the market immediately made it clear what he thinks about it, and the "success" of pam634 in the number of sales and price, perfectly reflects the opinion of the majority about this experiment, if we compare them, for example, with pam360.
It should be noted that the model can be released for only 2 years and there are no inter-series changes. 2 calibers, do not follow the principle of redesigning pam113 / 114 but as in pam003 / pam010 reflect movt., With and without a second hand.
But now let's get back to the white dial.
First, about the good:
To counterbalance the 8-day models with a white dial, here we have pre-v hands, which, in terms of general aesthetics, may not be as reasonable, but more often closer to the heart, thicker numbers and indices, as it was on 113/114 and on the early 003/010 series, the lumé from white-green was replaced by a beige patina, which, although it gives more sweet effect than a real harsh T patina, is still pleasant.
Without 8 days, the lines were placed on the tsiferblat more traditionally, and even a logo appeared (!!!) which, after a couple of years, will feed all those hungry for this element, which, in addition to 000/005, is located either on PRE-V or special series, which not so easy and cheap to get, but ... the logo was made blue ...
No, this is a beautiful color, and it is copazationally where it is needed, especially in a light tone it is in harmony with the white dial, but even so, most would like something more strict, and taking into account all the "experiments" with keeping the price, I think everyone who reads various communities know the essence of the relationship.
Nevertheless, this is the opening of the "second front" of luminor bettarini production in parallel with 9 daytime models, and if earlier there were only 2 models with a white dial in HW, from this point there are 4 of them and the entry price has become lower.
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PAM630:
PAM660:
REP:
- Description:
Rep of these models are not. Although it could have been. At that moment of the boom of the logo, v6f (already XF in many mentions at that time) released several releases this year, such as PAM634 (and unfortunately for yen did not make 632) but with a general temporary decline in both the gen brand and the rep On the side (in view of the recent not so successful releases (especially for v6f) of models at p.5000, apparently the demand potential was assessed as insufficient, and the white dial missed this generation of bettarini in the rep industry.
Of course, a big fan of the brand would like to have such a model, in addition to other variations, but I am sure that even at the time of the appearance of 561/563, the reason to change their noobs 113/114 to something new became very controversial.
In general, we have what we have.
16/17. PAM775 (Base) / PAM778 (Marina)
GEN.
- Year: 2018 - present
- Movt: P.6000
- "Model predecessor": PAM630 / PAM660
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
After evaluating the results a year later, the brand had to retire from the idea of trivial savings (but have not yet come to the principle of "smart" eco-saving LOL) and saw the light of the line of 6 models with a new in-house 3-day movt., Which was supposed to replace calibers based on 6497 in all remaining panerai models.
It turned out interesting.
The case became even slightly thinner, the WR 100m was left, like the backcase cracker, but they made it faceted, as before, and later, by the way, they also returned to the screw rods.
Well, they brought the RP back to the $ 5500 level, which made them more expensive than their predecessor, but cheaper than the line with the P.5000 caliber.
Well, now about the white dial.
Differences from its predecessor are not so obvious to the untrained eye, but they are.
In order not to come up with anything new, they just decided to juggle a little with the time variables of pam003 / pam010 PRE-A, A and later B series, and again made the numbers and markers a little thinner and installed modern hands, as on p.5000.
The latter, I am sure, solely from the point of view of unification of the details of the model range.
As a result, this is the last transformation, and the current final (until the next change) appearance of the white dial in the original bettarini case.
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PAM775:
PAM778:
Backcase (same):
REP:
- Description:
As in the previous case, there is no rep. The thickness became even smaller, the case changed in proportions again, and at that time everything was already at the mercy of the models on p.9000, and from 6497, which fit quite conditionally, there were only models like 000/005/111/127 with which careful management factories were not afraid to miss. In addition, the last models of the previous generation "under p.5000" were sold sluggishly for minimal money.
XF did 777, 776, 774, 773 but they passed 775 and 778.
Well, it's a pity, they fulfilled some of the conditions of the specifics of this series, by the way, in a larger volume than today HWF on similar models, but apparently, this was a controversial success, and they decided not to aggravate it with the not very popular white dial.
We'll see. I would be glad if the HW factory renewed its attempts in modern bettarini models, perhaps with some new solutions, great attention to details and forms, giving a new product, expanding the range and choice, increasing its own representation, and at the same time avoiding competition with noob (or whatever is left of it), and XF, which is clearly aimed at feeding naughty old school lovers like me. Lol.
I don’t think there are still factories in the rep market that would see the point in doing this.
But, wait and see, as they say.
18/19. PAM499 / PAM523
GEN.
- Year:
2013 for pam523,
2014 for pam499
- 2016.
- Movt: p.9000
- "Model predecessor": PAM040
- "Model successor":
PAM1499 / PAM1523
- Description:
With the general coach of the transition from panerai to manufacture movts., In mass models, came (apparently, not primarily) a series of white dials.
PAM312 in a black dial is not to say that it came to replace the PAM104, but clearly claimed it in the dreams of the brand's managers.
The line to PAM049 came 4 years later.
The fact is that for the "storage" of the new movt., A 1950 case appeared in 2009, and at the beginning it was only 44mm. Later in 2012, a 42mm version appeared, in which a version with a black pam392 dial was first released, and later a pam523 with a white one.
New movt., With new functions, new case, cyclops disappeared, but the dial in the new pam523 remains very close to the original automatic model.
The fonts of the numbers have not changed much, mainly it concerns "6" and "12" which began to repeat the shape of the numbers of the sandwich, became wider, and 6 became open.
Interestingly, there were no 4 lines of "automatic" on the 40mm model, apparently so as not to clutter up the dialblat of a smaller diameter (pam048 does not have one either, while pam104 does), and despite the fact that the watch has formally grown by 2mm (Small 1950 case 42mm, against 40mm bettarini), they decided not to look for a place, because it repeats the dial of its predecessor in everything, and by the way, the most common pam113 dial, except for the date window.
A year later, an adult 44mm variation of pam499 appears in this type of case with p.9000, its ref., Even reminiscent of its predecessor pam049, but they did not look for a place for an inscription reminding that this is an automatic watch.
Interestingly, unlike most of the model range of watches in this case (which is 42, which is 44mm.) They are completely polished, which makes them with a white glossy dial a little brighter, either in the direction of "richness" or "femininity" but just a little further from the submariners - saboteurs.
I think this development of this model was not done voluntarily, but with a clear understanding of who they want to sell it to and why.
Nevertheless, instead of one 40mm model, we got 2 at once and both were completely renewed, and a little more, because PANERAI with a diameter of 40mm is really quite small.
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PAM499
PAM523
REP:
- Description:
This rep was made in a number of versions by the v6f and zf factories. In fact, all the differences between the series boil down to different decoration options for p.9000 movt., A7750 or st2555, as is the case with all similar models at the time, like pam312, pam359 and others.
There were no VSF clones at that time, so from today, looking there, it is clear that if it is 7750 (balance wheel position at 11 @), and there is some kind of decoration, then this version is quite good. Although, I have nothing against the seagull, but when considering a model based on it, you should pay attention to the date font. If it is a standard movt for this (thin, including on a black background), then even with a decorative plate, it is most likely a cheap dhgate version, which upon closer examination will show many more shortcomings of the case and even the dial.
Otherwise, these 2 plants are roughly similar, V6F usually has better processing, but on a polyroan case, this may not be so obvious.
In the case of the 42mm model, everything is about the same, although the ZF version was rather uncommon(There are not many references, and on rare photos there are too many doubts that this is v6f) .However, if your choice is not based on the diameter in the first place, then it is better to take the 44mm model, in view of the more correct shape of the case.
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PAM499 ZF
PAM523 V6F
20/21. PAM1523 / 1499
GEN.
- Year: 2016 - present
- Movt: P.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM523 / 499
- "Model successor":
PAM1314 / PAM1394
- Description:
Since the models with a white dial are usually something additional, relative to the main ones, with a black one, they are offered with some delay from the moment when everything is already there. Also, of course, so that you can evenly present new items, and there were no empty years.
But the main reason why the previous PAM499 and PAM523 were produced for only 2-3 years, versus about 10 years for the PAM049 is the release of the new P.9010, thinner than the P.9000 and the new 1950 case, both 42 and 44mm.
The difference in shape is familiar to everyone, this case exists in the PANERAI lineup to this day, I will only note that for these two models, it is still completely polished.
Under the case and movement, the dial was also updated, the lume became patinated, as in the example with the pam630 and pam660, the logo was not added, but the inscription "automatic" was placed on both 44 and 42mm models, and in accordance with the fashion design trend of the brand in overall, the second hand turned blue.
There is a lot of discussion about the direction of these design trends, and how panerai sees the target audience of its creations with a white dial, but it must be admitted that this is the most "confectionary" integration of automatic luminors with a white dial.
Yes, pam049 and even more so pam051 looked just a gloomy piece of iron, compared to a thin, fully polished case with an elegant rounded profile and a glossy multicolored dial.
Leaving that as it is, in any case, this is a wonderful watch that clearly has its own personality, albeit with a trace of authentic Daylight, albeit in its sweetest form.
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PAM1523
PAM1499
REP:
And here the producers were mainly V6F and ZF.
Clone P.9010 is still a week old, so a decorated A7750 or ST2555 is used as movt.
In the case of the P.9000, the gull was a little more similar, yes, the balance position was still shifted by an hour (6 @, not 7 @), but still not on the opposite side, then in P.9010 the only correct option is A7750, because the balance wheel position is at 11 @ for both movt., correct.
In general, this is the case when the "light" version really is, and should be proportionally low, because, not only does it use the cheaper movt., But the appearance really suffers.
In addition to movt., You can always look at the height of the points of the dial lume, serifs on the CG and choose for yourself ZF or V6F.
Dhgate versions are swept aside by the same standard criteria: non-engraved or incorrectly engraved casebacks, recessed DW, standard date font, not decorated movt., And cases from pam499 / 523.
It is important here, please note that this is a new 1950 case, and you should always check the correctness of the profile when buying. New dials in old cases, this is the lot of all v1s from many factories when switching to a new design. I think everyone remembers this in the examples pam372, pam688, pam690 and others.
Also, please remember that the 42mm case is again less correct than the 44mm case, but in both cases the total reps thickness of any of the factories, with any movt., Is too large.
This is not critical, but you must understand it.
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22. PAM1314
GEN.
- Year: 2020 - present.
- Movt: p.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM1499
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
An absolutely new and unique dial, which has not been used anywhere else, but today in 2021 has already spread in a number of new models, apparently, is being strengthened in the lineup.
It is difficult to call it a full-fledged pam1499 receiver for several reasons; firstly, because this is not a reimagined Daylight, but just a completely new dial-up, which has a sandwich for the first time.
The texture itself is also not so matte, but directly loose, reminiscent of plaster.
We have already seen this texture in the gray shark for the PAM959, for example, or, as my friend and I call it "banana" PAM1075.
Also, it is not worth talking about the end of the Daylight era of the white dial, because I did not find information about the discontinuation of the sale of pam1499, and given that even with the same case, they use the same caliber, pam1314 has a solid caseback and movt. without full decoration and some functions.
What I mean is that these 2 models can stay in parallel in the panerai lineup, at least for a certain period, if they do not exist independently, given that, as I mentioned earlier, pam1499 looks quite sweet to my taste, and pam1314 is more strict, especially uyus considering that the midcase is satin, and theoretically, they can have different target audiences.
I would be only glad if it was an addition, not a replacement, but we will wait and see.
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REP.
- Description:
Finally, we got to the actual models, and this is the first from VSF, which we touched upon here.
Among other things, it is important that it is equipped with a P.9000 clone, unlike anything discussed earlier, and has a completely correct look ... but for a P.9000, while the GEN has a P.9010.
However, this is not so important, because pam1314 has a solid caseback and some functions of the clone p.9000 and gen p.9010 are similar.
Another thing is more important here, VSF made this model according to a professional photo, and put her hands painted with white paint to match the color of the dial, which is not correct, because GEN has polished steel hands.
At the time of writing, the expected V2 has not been announced, and there are no reasonable solutions to overcome this problem, because among other things, the color of the hand lume for the PAM1314 with a steel finish is unique and cannot be taken from another model, or from AM sellers.
Let's hope that VSF will correct this not difficult flaw, from the point of view of production, because for the consumer it is a real factual error in the most conspicuous place.
All other shortcomings standard for the latest VSF new 1950 are not significant, and you can read opinions on this in a variety of relevant topics.
In general, a good, beautiful watch for amateurs, but awaiting improvement, without which it cannot be called a full rep.
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23. PAM1394
GEN.
- Year: 2021
- Movt: P.9010
- "Model predecessor": PAM1523
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In general, the situation with pam1314 is completely similar, just replace the ref.
It is possible, as with other models, to combine them into one item, but this is the current model of this year, and the closer to the present day, the more it is worth highlighting.
In fact, PAM312 with P.9000 turned into PAM1312 with P.9010, then it "simplified" to the original design of the dial color, simplified movt., Installed solid caseback, and the new pam1312 got blue and white versions of pam1313 and pam1314, respectively. The situation is exactly the same with 42mm models a year later.
This year there should be new pam1392, pam1393, pam1394.
Is this a continuation of pam1523 or is it a parallel, stricter and cheaper line of models - as I said, it is difficult to judge now, but now we have 2 parallel 42mm models with a white dial and a luminor 1950 case, and this is already a choice, which is always good.
- Photo:
REP:
- Description:
The latest available VSF release with a white dial.
This happened quite recently, and while I have not even seen QC, there are still very few Photos gen, not to mention live photos, so here I will write only the already known moments, or what can be assumed theoretically.
This model, in contrast to the pam1314 44mm, received the correct steel polished arms, however it is not clear to me if the gen uses short arms in this 42mm 1950 generation, as was the case with the older models with a transparent backcase.
Also, this is not entirely obvious to rep. There is a suspicion that there are exactly the ones that should be in pam1314, and then with a high degree of probability we will have a V2 with compensated shortcomings, but not the correct 42mm.
On the backcase VSF we see WR100m, which is rather strange, because all 1950 42mm before that, had only 100m, but had a transparent backcase. 44mm models have 300m. Such protection from small pams had only 40mm in the bettarini case.
By the way, in the piggy bank of interesting facts, since we started talking here, 207a had 150m WR, so panerai is a brand with which you can be surprised at any moment.
Also this model, together with pam1393, has the first case for VSF 42mm 1950. It will clearly differ from the old ZF and V6F.
So far, I have not seen good and detailed photos, but most likely, the thickness will not be ideal, at about the same scale as with 42mm submersibles, and the excess thickness will entail a similar shift in proportions.
In addition to everything, this may be a specificity of the photo, but it seems to me that on the PAM1394 the lume of the dial looks darker. This is what seemed to me lacking in PAM1314, despite the "relativity" of such statements without personal inspection or gen / rep comparison, and what killed me for pam1662, which has a similar color.
I don't know if they fixed it on the watch, or just using a photo, or maybe a smaller dial reflects less light and gives a feeling of greater darkness of non-white elements, but if you compare the same photos of the dealers of these two models, then this feeling is quite obvious.
In any case, these are not yet confirmed facts, and the last, more from the category of assumptions, but information for thought, for those who wonder if rep is similar to gen.
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24. PAM602
REP: DSN, V6F
GEN.
- Year: 2014
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": 5218-207A
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Having dealt with most of the automatic production models, let's return to HW bettarini for a change.
We have covered the main course of changes in the production models, now it is time to pay attention to the special series.
This is my personal favorite, the PAM785 set as a tribute to the PRE-V SLYTECH models, in a print run of 500 Q series kits, consisting of PAM594 as a reference to the exceptional 5218-218a, and PAM602, our subject of discussion, honoring the 5218-207A in the basic version of the dial.
In fact, in my opinion, it was a very cool idea, the set was sold in a beautiful box, with a pig model and a lot of necessary and not very attributes.
It's a little curious that a special limited set in honor of SLYTECH models does not really resemble them in "general outline", but is made really very cool, does not have the SLYTECH inscription.
In general, let's return to the target pam602, which will be discussed further.
The tribute is truly symbolic, as the pam113 / 114 series on the traditional 6497 based models was replaced with the new in-house p.5000 with a new case, and they decided to make this special series for the exotic couple at the origin, thus connecting the past and the present of the brand.
To do this, they did not just take the old pam113 dial, and not even a new one from pam563, but made a completely unique disc, which in most aspects repeated the 207A.
From the obvious, of course, there is no SLYTECH inscription, apparently since 2005 Stallone's rates have increased, and the circulation would have to be increased to 5,000 copies to recoup this LOL.
Also, it is clear that tritium is not used, it was replaced by a patinated lume, which we will see next time on a pair of PAM630 / PAM660.
But, interestingly, they returned the original Daylight numbers on the minute track around the circumference of the dial, by the way, for the first and last time.
Also, a special serif font was used, not very similar to PRE-V, but still unique for these editions.
Interestingly, for the sake of completeness, even the typical L SWISS L was removed, and not only because they had to copy the style of the PRE-V watch with a T dial, but also because the 207A did not have this inscription. There it was simply not printed (or deleted), but here they even extended the minute strips to the end so as not to leave a strange stain.
Nice attitude to detail.
The caseback is steel, with black paint on the engravings, which also complements the image well, considering that the thinner, less pronounced cushion cases for the p.5000 are indeed a little more like pre-v cases.
In general, as I said, in my opinion, it was a good release, which, after almost 20 years, after all the changes, brought us back to, albeit not the first white disc that came out of the factory, but the first Daylight dial.
- Photo:
REP:
- Description:
Full set of PAM785 released by V6F.
Let me remind you, first, that it is impossible to make a superrep of a model using P.5000, due to the lack of movt suitable in thickness, so we immediately take as a basis that the proportions of the case are not entirely correct, and the thickness is slightly larger (about 1.5 mm).
V6F took into account all the details, but the font of the numbers is similar to that of the PAM563 of that time and is too thin, the dial fonts are also slightly thinner and not quite followed.
Lume is more beige, slightly lighter and less saturated.
Of course, everything is relative, but I think this is a noticeable drawback, but the cherry on the cake is that they used modern hands instead of pre-v.
Otherwise, everything is fine, especially if you notice that they were selling the entire PAM785 set for ~ $ 300, which now you cannot buy one typical VSF.
DSN also made this model, but at the end, he liked to mold a new watch from what it was, and when releasing this set, he used a caseback marked as OP7002 from PAM594, instead of OP6537, which relies on a typical steel case for P.5000, although in the serial number added the letter B which distinguishes the PAM602 because the PAM594 has the letter B.
Lume is not beige like V6F but too yellow, which is different, but also not like GEN.
The dial fonts are not perfect, but the hands are correct.
In general, both reps have their drawbacks, so you can get one that is easier and faster to obtain.
This is important because there are almost no white dials with a solid caseback besides it.
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PAM602 (PAM785B) V6F:
PAM602 (PAM785B) DSN:
25. PAM650
GEN.
- Year: 2016
- Movt: P.5000
- "Model predecessor": 207A
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
A couple of years later, panerai repeated a double set this time PAM786 containing PAM649 destro with PVD and black seal lettering, and a white PAM650 dial in an attempt to pay tribute to the first 5218-207A variant with blue numerals and markers, which was disliked by the fashion police officer Stallone. and in this connection, the PANERAI designer had to think a little longer and invent the design of the Daylight white dial, which is still alive.
It looks rather peculiar, of course, the tritium was changed to luminova, and the color and shape of the fonts and numbers are not exactly the same, but nevertheless, this is a very specific and interesting specimen, to which, admittedly, it is difficult to find an alternative.
In general, a thing for collectors, and even more sophisticated than in 2014.
- Photo:
REP
- Description:
Rep from v6f is made within the pam786 set and has a number of features typical for p.5000 models from this factory.
I don't see them often on sale m2m, although it was a bargain at the time.
If you want to touch this part of the story, buy it when it turns under your arm and you won't regret it.
I will not once again talk about the thickness, the shape of the case, the correspondence of the blue color to what is used in gen, you just can see all this yourself if you have time to get them.
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26. PAM518
GEN.
- Year: 2014
- Movt: OP.XXV
- "Model predecessor": PAM007
- "Model successor": PAM654
- Description:
Let's continue our discussion of special episodes.
And now, one of the most special.
2014 was a very fruitful year for white dials, but among the serial novelties, there were 3 special editions PAM519, PAM520 and the topic of discussion was the white dial PAM518.
All 3 are chronographs in a Radiomir 1940 case made of precious metals, with minimum editions, different dials and a chronograph movement with 2 sub-dials and hand winding.
PAM520 Rose Gold With Sandwich, PAM519 White Gold With California And PAM518 Platinum With White Sausage Dial.
In fact, tying it to pam007 mare nostrum is an incredible convention, but in fact, they have in common, as in a chronograph with two registers, and the 1940 radioworld is not so far from MN as Luminor.
Nevertheless, I will not insist, this is just my association.
This is a completely independent watch, like some other special editions, and a completely unique dial that was combined with a platinum case.
Especially nice to see the SLC sausage dial, with a white disc and chronograph complication.
Despite the fact that this is pure gamble, to go far from the original look, but it is clearly a success.
This is a good, rare, expensive watch, with a unique dial, which we will see in a slightly modified form, and a wonderful movement.
I think this is one of the most beautiful and expensive pumps with a white dial.
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REP:
- Description:
There are representatives of all 3 models from V6F.
They are not perfect (how much is it possible to make a good REP platinum watch at all?), But very beautiful and give a good feel on the wrist.
There are many alternatives on the dhgate and Ali level, including those with a quartz movement.
The identification version is described in great detail in the ALE PAM GUIDE, and is repeated in the topics when someone asks to identify the next find.
I see no reason to repeat this, I will just attach a couple of photos of these V6Fs so that you can compare and understand, in different lighting.
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27. PAM654
GEN.
- Year: 2017
- Movt: P.9100
- "Model predecessor": PAM518
- "Model successor": PAM1218
- Description:
In 2017, a series of 3 chronographs with FLYBACK function were introduced, in honor of the brand-sponsored PCYC.
PAM652 titanium with a diameter of 47mm, PAM653 steel with a diameter of 44mm, and PAM654 steel with a 44mm diameter with a white dial.
This trio is a bit like the 2014 trio, only in the field of sailing.
It is also the white dial of this model that unites them, it is also the white SLC with patinated sausage lume, and the chronograph markings with two accumulators.
This is a beautiful model, with a very unusual dial for luminor models, which really makes it very special, but at the same time not familiar.
I think for those who wanted the pam518 for their unique design, this is a great chance to get it at a significantly lower price and greater availability.
Of course, this is not platinum, but not a common, typical and really beautiful model.
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REP:
- Description:
As with all Flyback models based on p.9100, there are no reps for it.
Moreover, unlike most models of this caliber, I have not even seen cheap quartz attempts with this dial.
Well, fortunately, rep pam518 v6f is more accessible than gen, and there is still a chance to have this dial in a different form.
28. PAM655
GEN.
- Year: 2017
- Movt: P.4000
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The description above PAM652, PAM653 and PAM654 were united by one format and purpose, but PAM655, released in the same year, is logically connected with PAM654 white dial.
This is a clean and understandable 42 mm radiomir 1940 in a thin case with an asymmetric rotor, like the pam933 with a blue dial, pam572 with a black one, and pam573 in a red gold case.
In contrast to these colors, this is the first and last so far white serial radiomir.
It carries the standard Daylight layout, with the patinated lume characteristic of all the latest models in any cases, except for the Radiomir inscription, which is found on the white dial only in this case, and on pam518, although it does not have a classic dial in this sense of the word.
In general, white dials have always had a slight bias towards small and elegant models, and this is a logical step in the period of active development of the line of small 1940 radiomirs and luminors due, which will be discussed in more detail later.
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- Description:
There is no rep of this model. There is only a pam572 with a p.4000 caliber and an asymmetric rotor.
29. PAM1218
GEN.
- Year: 2021
- Movt: P.9200
- "Model predecessor": PAM654
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The successor to pam654, I designated it again rather tentatively.
This is a new series of new chronographs in a new case.
We have not seen live photos yet, but this year has prepared a line of at least 5 models pam1109 with a black dial, pam1110 with a blue dial, and including a bracelet option, a gold pam1111, pam1303 Luna Rossa with a blue dial and, of course, this pam1218 with a white one.
This is a continuation of the idea of pam1314 and pam1394 with a rough white sandwich and a gray lume.
A beautiful new dial, now in chronograph format.
Also, this is a new chronograph 1950 44mm case with a new narrow bezel to visually enlarge the dial.
Also, it should be noted that this is a rather thin panerai watch for a chronorraph, about 15.5mm.
The back has a solid backcase, which clearly suits the manufacturers of quartz reps.
In fact, I'm ready to say that this is a completely new watch in all respects, and I really like it.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
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- Description:
Rep is not a model, and there are very big doubts that it will appear, for the reasons described in many posts, including about pam654.
The location of the chronograph buttons on the other side of the case makes this incomprehensible to factories.
Make hidden pushers on the right and fake buttons on the left by placing st19 in the wrong way, which will allow you to sell it in large quantities like a high-class rep.
Nevertheless, the chronographs in which it is possible to install the HW ST19 are destiny of rare special editions, and it is not a fact that this will be repeated more, given the brand's increasing manufacturing bias, and the age of chronographs based on the 7750/7753 is clearly over.
As a result, a very significant accumulation of GEN chronograph models and at the same time the highest popularity is required for factories to make a clone.
Honestly, looking at how clones are being implemented on other brands, I would not really hope, but everything is possible, and I think we would all be happy about it, and even experienced some increased cost, in relation to typical rep pams on the usual movts ...
30/31. PAM906 / PAM903
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor": PAM1523
- "Successor Model": PAM1046 / PAM1043
- Description:
The following year, from the start of the development of the Luminor Due collection, the first white dials of this series appeared.
In essence, they further revealed the "feminine" side of pam1523 with bright glossy dials and a small 42mm slim case.
Now, thanks to the new thin in-house calibers, the even smaller thickness of 10.8mm has become better and to the 42mm diameter of the pam906, a new panerai diameter of 38mm for the pam903 has been added, which makes it even smaller than grandfather (or grandmother?) Pam049 by 2mm and thinner by half a centimeter ...
The dial has also undergone changes, and received the blue color of the Daylight layout, and only 2 lines, which is rather meager compared to 4 lines for pam1523.
Also, the black color of the symbols was replaced with blue, and the same blue hands, which is actually quite stylish in my opinion, and also refers us to the first version of 207A, as well as pam650.
In fact, until recently, blue hands on panerai were generally quite rare, if not to talk about the second.
Also, in fairness, it should be noted that from white, the dial has become closer to ivory. But I prefer to think of it as just a new design language, and it probably won't be called "beige" either.
On the way of differentiation and multiplication of white dials for all target audiences, it seems that a picore has been reached in the female target audience, taking into account the range, thickness and diameter.
However, PANERAI neither affirms nor denies anything, therefore these watches are still positioned as unisex, which for many fans of the brand already sounds like = womens.
However, the choice is always pleasant, especially because it does not have to be made.
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PAM906:
PAM903:
REP:
- Description:
We have rep pam906 from vsf, with all the family-wide problem suite. This is the wrong thickness, caused by the use of the p.9000 clone, which was already large in size for pam1499 / pam1535, but here it becomes completely critical, and the entire projection of the case floats, including even the CG profile.
The functions of the P.9000 also do not apply to this model, so only the solid back cover saves this failure from complete.
For pam903 in 38mm, VSF did not even try, because making an extra case, for the obviously not the most winning form factor, and even with real disparities, would be completely divorced from the reality of entrepreneurship.
We have this watch because it bears little resemblance to anything else.
Moreover, there are more ladies' watches, traditionally lower requirements for accuracy in relation to GEN.
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PAM906 VSF:
32/33. PAM741 / PAM756
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: P.1000 / OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor":
- "Successor Model": PAM1042 / PAM1045
- Description:
By analogy with the PAM906 and PAM903, these are even models with cases made of gold and golden hands, only blue.
It is interesting that the disc remained the same, however, the lines were changed a little.
Activity visibility is created and the new model is ready.
Also, pam741 was made with p.1000, unlike pam906, and showed it due to a transparent caseback in a beautifully processed form, but on pam756 they showed a rather mediocre OP.XXXIV, which the brand later chose to call P.900 and hide under a solid backcase. as I can imagine (I do not really know), without a full-fledged finishing.
Otherwise, this was the last (the penultimate, as we learned in 2021, after seeing the mother-of-pearl dial), when a gold case was added to the white dial (for the first time).
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PAM741:
PAM756:
REP:
- Description:
Here VSF took the last step into the abyss, since they did not have an adequate replacement for the P.1000, and even with such a beautiful finish, and the 38mm diameter is not possible, due to the lack of a case, they essentially made a PAM756 with a P.9000 clone, instead of OP.XXXIV, which is okay, in spite of the different design and functions, but at least the balance position at 7 @ is the same, but in a 42mm case, that is, from the PAM741 model ...
We rarely talk about the GEN correspondence of gold watches, it is even more difficult if the watch is female, but here it turned out just a mixture of everything at once.
I think the one who wants the smallest gold rep pam in a gold case is not mistaken, for the rest, there are more interesting options.
Nevertheless, thanks to the factory for at least giving the opportunity to get, in some form, this truly exceptional combination.
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34/35. PAM1046 / PAM1043
GEN.
- Year: 2019
- Movt: P.900
- "Model predecessor": PAM903 / PAM906
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
The latest evolution of the white dial in the luminor due collection is reflected here.
Ivory dial, patinated gold-colored sausage, steel hands.
This falls more into the logic of the new dials pam1314, pam1394, pam1218 with a sandwich of a whiter and coarser color, and here it is more yellow, softer and sausage of a warm shade, against a harsh gray.
I think this is how panerai decided to separate the male and female white dials by this time.
The classic layout with black numbers remained only in pam1499 / pam1523, and the previous DUEs, which were mentioned above, because, for example, looking at the logical transition, I have no information about the termination of their production yet.
However, meet it like this on the 42mm PAM1046, and the 38mm diameter twin PAM1043.
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PAM1046:
PAM1043:
REP:
- Description:
VSF made as usual a 42mm model, as in the previous generation of DUE white dials. Not a single "generic" disease of rep due has been resolved, but many doubts have been added about the color of the dial and lume, which, however, are caused by the absence of even QC in the thread of this model on the forum.
I really hope there will be someone who reads this and there is only one to share photos.
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PAM1046 VSF:
36/37. PAM1042/PAM1045
GEN.
- Year: 2019
- Movt: P.900 / OP.XXXIV
- "Model predecessor": PAM741 / PAM765
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In complete analogy with the previous generation, we have 42 and 38 mm versions, which are also equipped with gold hands, and a transparent caseback.
This time there were no difficulties, all models have one movt., And are automatic with PR 3 days, and the lines of the dial are accordingly the same.
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PAM1042:
PAM1045:
REP:
- Description:
This time VSF was relatively lucky and didn't have to confuse movts. The 42mm pam1042 is made with a p.9000 clone labeled p.900, and everything related to pam1046 can be referred to here as well.
I'm glad that despite not the greatest demand and the most accurate match to gen, they keep trying. I hope, further, they will continue this with actual improvements, and not at the current level, after a year.
However, enjoy one of the sweetest panerai white dials.
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PAM1042 VSF:
38. PAM791
PAM791
GEN.
- Year: 2018
- Movt: P.3000
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
In this case, I will not fantasize with any thoughts about what or from what this model was going.
This is a special watch, released in a pair of PAM790 / PAM791 with a completely unique appearance.
Case 47mm radiomir 1940 and a pair of unique dials, as they are called by panerai, art deco, which have never been repeated anywhere else. And this applies not only to the layout of the dial, but also to the hands.
In fact, the dial is rather beige, although it is positioned as ivory.
This is an unusual model, and in fact, I mentioned it at the end of the story because I forgot about it several times in the process of writing, then I thought that this was not entirely on the topic of the thread, then I returned again, but in the end I decided to write.
I won't write much, just take a look at the photo and enjoy.
This is a truly unique watch and yes, I find it to be one of the finest examples of a white dial.
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- Description:
Rep of this model is not, which many regret, given that during the clones of p.3000 from SF and ZF the latter really had a chance to do it, and do it right, but no.
And now I don’t think I’ll come back to this.
But if there is a renaissance of these clones, or perhaps the ZF factory, it would be a gorgeous return to the world of rep pams, which many of us would like, remembering their pam372, pam557, pam605, 687, 690 and many others.
Let's hope.
39. PAM225
GEN.
- Year: 2005
- Movt: OP.XII
- "Model predecessor": -
- "Model successor": -
- Description:
Well, of course, after 8 almost feminine DUE models, I couldn't help but compensate for that with the most brutal white dial model one could think of.
It is one of 6 SLYTECH models, and one of only 2 47mm submersiles.
Absolutely wild 47mm chronograph 1000m.
There were released 2 versions with black (PAM202) and white dials, autographed by Stallone on the backcase as in the old pre-v times.
The only real analogue is pam187 with a black dial, so unlike it, PAM202 and PAM225 do not have a date, which is generally rare for submersible, and even more so for a chronograph.
You already know everything about this model, so just enjoy the photo, and note that one of the most famous and exclusive submersibles was equipped with a white dial, and even in a smaller edition, due to which, the prices for this model, although it does not apply to vintage, noticeably exceed RP.
And yes, pay attention to the contrasting finishes of the various elements, which casts serious doubt on the description of the PANERAI material as completely titanium.
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REP:
- Description:
This is a well-known and one of the most demanded rep pams.
It was rendered with an L dial and made of steel, not titanium.
There are many other shortcomings that are not easy to list, and easier to show, but this will be a separate topic.
Moreover, there was only one adequate version, and as everyone knows, it is not so easy to get it, modifications, with the exception of re-lume, are almost useless, there are no other versions with better replacement parts, and gen details are exceptional, and we know here on the forum only one famous franken 225.
Nevertheless, we must pay tribute to that factory, despite all the shortcomings, they clearly did not know at that time that they would make the most wanted model, after so many years.
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Output:
What do we end up with?
In fact, not a little.
Firstly, we have 39 gen models (which by the way is not a lot, compared to blue dials), of which 26 are rep, not counting various versions, factories and series. I'm not afraid of this word, most of it is done.
In the process, we saw a number of models develop and differentiate, essentially from one 5218-207A with blue markers to 14 models that are being produced at the same time today.
Bettarini with a white dial started in the PRE-V era, split into marina and base, passed PRE-A, A, got a transparent caseback, and split into parallel 8 and 3 day lines.
At this time, one mare nostrum spun off from itself and made an automatic pam, in parallel they released 3 chronographs, one of which is even 47mm submersible, and entered the era of manufacturing movts., Already in two diameters, 42 and 44mm, underwent restyling with the movt update., then they again divided into elegant DUE, and the classic LUMINOR 1950, and in the first, they even branched out into 2 sizes (42 and 38mm) and two materials (steel and gold).
And that's not counting the many special models, both throwbacks to the past with the PAM650 and PAM602, and to the future with the new PAM1218 chronographs.
As a result, the entire history of the brand, we have white dials in the collection.
Rep world has also had them for about 15 years, they give us the opportunity to get an unusual and fresh, for some summer, for some feminine, but classic, historically important and always bright, PANERAI WITH A WHITE NUMBER.
Thanks to everyone who took the time to read, I hope this has answered some questions, both regarding the existence or existence of some original models and "Which rep panerai with white dial can I buy?"
Also, local markets usually have a lot of low quality fancy reps with white dials, for example:
and this post will help you understand what happens and what doesn't.
I apologize if, for some reason, I missed your favorite model with a white dial, just write and I will include it in this review.
Thanks again for your attention and patience while reading long texts, good luck finding what you are looking for and wish to be healthy!
KOT.
