What is the best first panerai to buy. I'm sure that after the first one I will buy many more, but I want to be impressed with the first!!! So what I'm getting at is what is the best made and closest to the gen I can get? And where should I buy Davidsen/Ruby? Thanks for your help!!!!
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Single best rep panerai watch out there?
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If I were you, I would buy a 111H from Angus with a canonpin fix and superlume and an AR sapphire crystal. Costs $348, but excellent for the price. If you want to pay more, like $500-600, then you can buy any of them and get them modded to near perfection. Just depends on what you want and like! Good luck.
I'd usually say just get the one that attracts you the most as all reps have some imperfections. But if your main requirement is 'looks closest to a gen', as it's still the movement that's the most difficult to get 'right' on most PAM reps, I'd suggest a 000 or 005. The standard of most is quite good and some - such as DSN, are very good and the solid back gets around the movement issue.
i can recommend a BASE model....
the 112 or 176. for the money DVSN has a good watch....with most mods and good lume.
the 112 or 176. for the money DVSN has a good watch....with most mods and good lume.
to start out... i would grab maybe the new 088 ultimate model... or an ultimate submersible (092, 252, 199)... all are pretty good right out of the box...
One of the Ferrari models, without question. I can't remember which one, as I'm not a fan of any of them, but they are absolutely spot on.
The next closest would be one of the "Ultimate" autos like the 104 or the North Pole GMT.
The next closest would be one of the "Ultimate" autos like the 104 or the North Pole GMT.
it seems that the 111h is a necessity.
You can get high end or relatively cheap ones. The fact is that either one you get 99% of people will not be able to call you out, in fact with PAMs i find that they only really come apparent that they are rep or gen by the feel of them in hand, it is very hard to tell looking from 3ft away or even point blank unless there are extremely obvious tells, which almost none of the reps on this forum will have.
The most obvious for me is the blue AR but as far as i'm aware, no rep has the clear AR that the gens have. (correct me if wrong)
You can get high end or relatively cheap ones. The fact is that either one you get 99% of people will not be able to call you out, in fact with PAMs i find that they only really come apparent that they are rep or gen by the feel of them in hand, it is very hard to tell looking from 3ft away or even point blank unless there are extremely obvious tells, which almost none of the reps on this forum will have.
The most obvious for me is the blue AR but as far as i'm aware, no rep has the clear AR that the gens have. (correct me if wrong)
Hi OP,
I heard if you can wait, Daytona4me is going to be offering a group buy on the PAM 177H & PAM 036E. It's supposed to be pretty accurate and affordably priced. Stay tuned. I got my cash ready.
daytona4me, please chime in.
I heard if you can wait, Daytona4me is going to be offering a group buy on the PAM 177H & PAM 036E. It's supposed to be pretty accurate and affordably priced. Stay tuned. I got my cash ready.
daytona4me, please chime in.
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Ditto on what others have said above
Any closed caseback model from Davidsen would be very hard to spot, since it would have a superlumed dial, upgraded crown and crown guard, fixed cannon pin, etc.
Avoid any datewindow model (I haven't seen one that has gotten it right. I don't know about the new 88 and other GMTs, but most suffer from wrong magnification, recessed datewheel, insufficiently bold date font, just for starters. I'm tempted to order the new 088 which is otherwise nice, but I can't imagine that the datewheel is not recessed given the GMT modification).
Date window is an instant tell, and all hand wind movements with a crystal back reveal one or more of the following: poorly proportioned OFFICINE PANERAI engraved fonts, wrong shock protection, errors in finishing/fine engraving, wrong swan neck, etc... These are very difficult to address, much less ask for out of the box. You can get lucky for a few but not all without much aftermarket effort.
Dials, sausage (raised number / dial markings) and sandwich (recessed number/dial markings between two dial plates) have varying defects and almost all out of the box reps suffer from varying degrees of bad fonts, poor lume, poor spacing of various elements. Davidsen's latest sandwich dials are very good in these regards, easily obtained and reasonably priced, and a more cost effective solution than little hero's dials which are reportedly near perfect, but cost (without lume, and bottom dials) as much to acquire as the complete "swiss" 177H that I bought last year.
Boy you probably weren't interested in all this, but it's an inevitability once you take the "plunge". Enjoy!
Any closed caseback model from Davidsen would be very hard to spot, since it would have a superlumed dial, upgraded crown and crown guard, fixed cannon pin, etc.
Avoid any datewindow model (I haven't seen one that has gotten it right. I don't know about the new 88 and other GMTs, but most suffer from wrong magnification, recessed datewheel, insufficiently bold date font, just for starters. I'm tempted to order the new 088 which is otherwise nice, but I can't imagine that the datewheel is not recessed given the GMT modification).
Date window is an instant tell, and all hand wind movements with a crystal back reveal one or more of the following: poorly proportioned OFFICINE PANERAI engraved fonts, wrong shock protection, errors in finishing/fine engraving, wrong swan neck, etc... These are very difficult to address, much less ask for out of the box. You can get lucky for a few but not all without much aftermarket effort.
Dials, sausage (raised number / dial markings) and sandwich (recessed number/dial markings between two dial plates) have varying defects and almost all out of the box reps suffer from varying degrees of bad fonts, poor lume, poor spacing of various elements. Davidsen's latest sandwich dials are very good in these regards, easily obtained and reasonably priced, and a more cost effective solution than little hero's dials which are reportedly near perfect, but cost (without lume, and bottom dials) as much to acquire as the complete "swiss" 177H that I bought last year.
Boy you probably weren't interested in all this, but it's an inevitability once you take the "plunge". Enjoy!
Jurgenk said:
Thanks Jurgenk,
You definitely went above and beyond the call of duty with this post.
111h is a need BUT you've also got to be ready to spend money on fantastic watch straps; a watch with a beautiful strap should go hand in hand (no pun intended?)
Jurgenk said:
Same here. Has anyone seen one of these? From the pics they look good but I'm also worried about the date window... I wonder whether the correct magnification conceals to some extent the recessed DW. And perhaps with a Lello DW it could be improved even further... Anyway, would be curious to hear from someone who has the new ultimate 088. What does it look like?
does anyone know the differences between Davidsan's 111h vs puretimes (angus?) 111h
puretimes is quite a bit cheaper but i cant tell what differences in the mods are
puretimes is quite a bit cheaper but i cant tell what differences in the mods are
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if you want something good then get a 111 from vaccum!
One of the best modded watches in the market!
But it looks to me you like to buy cheap crap, so to try out Panerai, get the cheapest you find and if you like it, buy one from johel or david.
One of the best modded watches in the market!
But it looks to me you like to buy cheap crap, so to try out Panerai, get the cheapest you find and if you like it, buy one from johel or david.
hooligan said:
on puretimes site
the 111h with sapphire AR
superlume and cannon pin fix costs
348.00
davidsan same stuff
is 430.00
so i guess the difference in cost is a better dial and crown.
i don't like to buy "cheap crap" I already have a small collection of nice gen watches. But if i am going to buy a rep i want to know why one costs significantly more than another.
I took a look at vaccums work and it is awesome...