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Seagul ST-2555 users!

Lindt

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I gonna order Panerai 359 KW with Seagull V2. Is Seagull realible? Did any of you guys had any problems with it? I'm very scared because i'm noob into this watches :D Is it better to wind it manually or to move it?
Which mechanism ni 359 you preffer 7750 or Seagul ST-2555? Please write me down your experience with Seagull. Where you can find servise for Seagull?


Thanks in Advance!

Best Regards!
 

mysterio

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My PAM359 with ST2555 is still up and running. It's not perfect as I've read issues with this movement but no movement is perfect. You can wind it a few times to start up the movement but a few shakes also does the job. Don't wind too much or you may end up damaging the gears. Service wise, I don't know who can service your watch in Slovenia.
 

PaMister

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I had one. It kept a good time when it was wound to upper half, but PR was a bit low, about 30h. Crown was stiff to work with but I'm not sure if it was the movements or the crown constructions fault. I have A7750 at the moment and I must say that it's superior every way. Smooth, accurate and very good PR. But these are just two individual movements.
 

cgn1017

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I love mine. Just bought another seagull version. 7750 have been too finicky IMHO.
 

Pamfanatic

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Sorry to hijack the thread but seems like the KW 359 has very poor workmanship on its crown guard? Does anyone have similar problems?

Appreciate if fellow bros can provide any suggestions or anyone who has spare crown guards? Pics as follows:
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ChadD2

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Kw 359 with seagull was my first purchase last year. Mine had issues.after 6 months, only powered up with manual wind. And i tried to regulate the watch but terrible at keeping time. I have purchased two reps since with the manual movement, noob 372 and kw 292 and they are much more reliable and accurate thus far.
 

ChadD2

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Oh and cg quality was poor for me too. TD sent me a couple extra though.
 

Pamfanatic

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Thanks for the sharing bro. Do you think the ZF version of 359 will be better? Better finishing of the crown guard and all. I believe the numerals on the dial wise have an improved cut out similar to the KW version right?


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ChadD2

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Thanks for the sharing bro. Do you think the ZF version of 359 will be better? Better finishing of the crown guard and all. I believe the numerals on the dial wise have an improved cut out similar to the KW version right?


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Couldnt tell you about the ZF. I have been reading more threads lately about folks with seagull movement problems. It used to be considered very reliable from what I have read. I am sticking to A6497 manual wind movement for all my future reps.
 

shelby1501

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I had 312 and currently I have 569 both with Seagull and so far no problems for me except loud rotor but 7750 has the same issue. Comparing it with 7750, 7750 maybe seems more robust but at the price difference between those two movements I would always pick Seagull although there are some complaints on it but as mysterio said, 7750 also has its problems.
 

kilowattore

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Sorry to hijack the thread but seems like the KW 359 has very poor workmanship on its crown guard? Does anyone have similar problems?

Appreciate if fellow bros can provide any suggestions or anyone who has spare crown guards? Pics as follows:
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I'm surely dumb, but I keep looking at your pics without getting what's the issue. Can you please clarify it to me? :)
 

mysterio

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I'm surely dumb, but I keep looking at your pics without getting what's the issue. Can you please clarify it to me? :)

Maybe it's how the inner edge of the crown guard was shaped (especially the top portion).
 

BuddhistGirafe

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I had a 312 with a seagull die within a month or so. With that being said it definitely seems I am the exception not the rule.

It is all part of the game though.
 

set2374

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I bought my KW 312, with the ST2555 movement in May 2014. Within two weeks, the stem inexplicably broke while inside the watch while I was gently giving it a startup wind. I sent it back to sead for repair. I got the watch back in late August with the the stem fix, but it is still a stiff winding movement. It does keep decent time on my wrist, but the PR on my watch is lousy. After a full day on the wrist, I could take the watch off at 8pm and it's dead by 11:30. A 3.5 hour PR is entirely unacceptable IMO. Clearly, the watch needs a full service, but due the lack of any replacement parts and the fact that some of these in-house asian movements are hard to work on, I haven't found a watchmaker in the US willing to do the service. It would probably cheaper to get a replacement movement anyway, but installing the faux bridges and decorations is a PITA. While the ST2555 does look a lot more like a the gen p.9000 than the decorated A7750, the A7750 (non-chrono) is a much easier movement to service and parts are easy to source.

In contrast, I have have had a Noob Pam 243 since late 2013, which has a non-chrono version of the A7750 that has never been serviced. That movement has been perfect. It winds smoothly, has no rotor noise at all and keeps excellent time. After a full day on the wrist it has a 40+ hour PR. I also have had a KW Pam 390 with an A6497 movement for 1.5 years. It's also never been serviced, but winds smoothly, keeps excellent time and also has a 30+ hour power reserve on a full wind (possibly longer, but I haven't checked recently).

Obviously, other members have had great experiences with the ST2555 and, given the significant difference in price when compared to the A7750, I might try another ST2555 powered watch--provided it was less than $250. If did buy another ST2555, I would ask the TD to test the power reserve to make sure it gets at least 25 hours and to check to make sure it keeps reasonably accurate time (at least +/- 15 secs a day). Clearly, I am not asking for a watch that meets COSC standards, but it needs to be in good enough shape that I don't have to have it serviced (since it's not a watch I can get serviced in the US). On a more expensive watch (where the ST version is over $300) that I expect will be a keeper, I would probably spend the extra money for the A7750 (especially if it's a closed case back).
 

Thenextpage

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I purchased a 359 with the ST2555 about 6 months ago, and it just broke down for the second time yesterday. The first time it broke with no explanation, I just noticed that it was no longer keeping time. I took it to several local watchsmiths who were willing to work on reps, but they all said they were unable to work on it - one of them outright said it is a shitty movement. So I sent it back to my TD, who had the manufacturer (KW) service it. This cost me approximately $90 in shipping. I asked my TD to report what the issue was with the watch, but he said the person that fixed it gave no detail as to what was wrong with it.

It has worked fine for the last month (worn about 8 times) since getting it back, and then just yesterday something inside broke while I was winding it. now the crown is very loose and it doesn't move the watch hands. Again, no explanation as to what may have happened. I'm now debating whether to ship it back to my TD for another $90 repair, or just chalk it up as a loss. Quite disappointed in this movement, personally.
 

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I've had 5 watches with st2555, 2 of them didn't auto-wind and one had a stuttering second hand that would jump in 5 second increments.

On the other hand, I've had 30+ A7750 including many sec@12 and only one arrived DOA. The rest have all kept great time, had good power reserve, and have been reliable.

I will never buy an st2555 again, even if it costs more, A7750 only for me!
 

cosmicgate

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I am amazed by my 359 st25, it has 0 sec difference after a month. More accurate than my 2836 watches!

I also accidentally dropped it once but wasnt a problem. Watch still running. The only thing i find it weird is that if the PR dies, dont rely too much on the rotor to start it up, it'll be dead in a couple hours. I normally wind it 70-80 turns and can get decent power if i wear it everyday(9-5 working hours worn, take off wrist after work)
 

adr14n

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My personal experience has been great with the seagulls. I've got 441 ST2555. The only small issues that I need to shake it a few times for it to start. The power reserve works well but just a little bit noisy.