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RM 005, GEN vs REP. A pictorial comparison.

HPoirot

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Here's a quick comparison of my gen RM 005, with the RM 005 with 21J movement that's available through most dealers.

Not surprisingly, you really can't compare the workmanship of a 70k watch with a <200$ rep.

Though i must add that, the rep i have is a pretty darn good one, if it weren't for a few details which i will point out.

On to the pics!

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Gen on right.

1. As you can see, there's a obvious difference in size, but i suspect they were following the dimensions of an RM010. The dial, however, clearly states it's an RM 005. I'm chalking this up to a 'mistake' more than a 'flaw/tell'.

2. 'Bezel' screws are of the different, with the gen being flat and the rep being protruding.

3. Dial is much clearer on the gen, that's probably due to the strong AR on the gen, printing seems sharper on the gen too.

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Gen on right.

1. As mentioned, no AR on rep.

2. Slimmer hands on the rep.

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Side constructions are surprisingly accurate. Size difference due to model differences.

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1. Movement is a major tell.

Good points about the rep:
Dial fonts are accurate.
Case construction is quite good.
Spring loaded deployant buckle is unique
Dial has a nice 3D/layered effect similar to the gen. (iphone camera can't capture that)

What can be improved:
1. Much better strap please. The gen strap blends into the case perfectly, but the rep strap, on top of being of a disgustingly low quality, is too narrow for the case, while the gen tapers a little. For reference, there's a much better rubber strap for the rep RM 11's, if anyone's interested.
2. AR would go a long way to improving this rep.

Final thoughts:

Very good bang for buck for a RM watch. Let's face it, probably 1 out of 10 people would realize this is an expensive watch, and out of those, few would be able to tell from a glance. Don't bank on this rep fooling a WIS or any AD though.

I've always loved RM watches, and if they ever came out with a 1:1 version, i'll be all for it. But as it stands, they still have a way to go before this can fool anyway.

Hope you guys enjoyed the review as much as i did writing it!
 

Doud

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Great review, thank you for making the effort to write this,
always thought RM reps were way off but its actually not that bad...
Could you please put a comparison picture of the open case back when you have time? thx
 

civic4982

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Comparing the two side by side makes the rep feel.... Well it feels canal street to me.

Thanks very much for the write up. We appreciate it!
 

Wiz

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Very interesting, not the kind of comparison you see everyday! :)

Thanks for sharing!
 

wat44

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Interested in the buying process. Wat other watches did you consider before rating with $70k?
 

Focal

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Awesome, actually surprised that someone with the funds to buy a gen rm is active on the rep boards. Can you tell a bit more about your collections?
 

HPoirot

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Thanks guys! Glad you all enjoyed it!

Here are the movement pics are requested:

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Not that far off, actually. Though the construct and quality is clearly different.
My thumb is intentionally covering up the serial number, for obvious reason. I'm too lazy to photoshop it out. :p

So why did i choose this watch out of the others in the same price range?

Let me preface this by first saying that, you really have to love RM watches. ^^

The 2 main factors here are versatility and a lack of credible reps.

Watches in this price range are typically your more complicated pieces, perpetual calendars, chronographs etc. And more often than not, they're very dressy, and very likely packaged with a leather strap. Think PP Calatrava but complicated (i like simple watches).

With a lifestyle like mine, humid Singapore weather, public transportation, a dressy watch doesn't fit into my lifestyle. Hence, i need a bracelet watch or something with a rubber strap.

The former has tons of options, APRO/VCO/PP Nautilus are the obvious choices, but 1:1 reps of these are easily available. Why pay 30k when you can get a 90% accurate rep for 300$? lol

As for rubber strap watches, the only 2 options are APROO and the PP Aquanaut. But, just like the above options, there are already great reps of these! There are, however, some ROOs that can't be repped, but sadly, my wrists are small, and the ROO is too chunky for regular wear. Also, they seem out of place with a shirt and tie (my daily attire).

Which leaves RM as the best option. They fly under the radar, fits under my cuffs, goes well with shirt/tie combo as well as berms/tshirt (anything that's not work).

To sum up, i love reps! And it helps that people around me know i can afford the watches i wear. If they ever come up with a 1:1 RM, i'd totally sell my gen and buy it.
 

coolnwow

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Here's a quick comparison of my gen RM 005, with the RM 005 with 21J movement that's available through most dealers.

Not surprisingly, you really can't compare the workmanship of a 70k watch with a <200$ rep.

Though i must add that, the rep i have is a pretty darn good one, if it weren't for a few details which i will point out.

On to the pics!

84986D52-F8CD-4E89-8974-3AEC79A60EFB-10264-00000F87BBCDDD2A.jpg

Gen on right.

1. As you can see, there's a obvious difference in size, but i suspect they were following the dimensions of an RM010. The dial, however, clearly states it's an RM 005. I'm chalking this up to a 'mistake' more than a 'flaw/tell'.

2. 'Bezel' screws are of the different, with the gen being flat and the rep being protruding.

3. Dial is much clearer on the gen, that's probably due to the strong AR on the gen, printing seems sharper on the gen too.

0A99D0E5-0584-4C09-995F-ACC4561BC4DE-10264-00000F87C2C08C7A.jpg

Gen on right.

1. As mentioned, no AR on rep.

2. Slimmer hands on the rep.

366DAF95-1D48-4F6A-AB3C-995F08E7DFDD-10264-00000F87C849736B.jpg

9CC30EA2-2B89-4B00-9E28-094813AE8880-10264-00000F87CDA8E123.jpg


Side constructions are surprisingly accurate. Size difference due to model differences.

118A5388-DDC7-4560-87AA-C6983124D97E-10264-00000F87D3F6A2FE.jpg


1. Movement is a major tell.

Good points about the rep:
Dial fonts are accurate.
Case construction is quite good.
Spring loaded deployant buckle is unique
Dial has a nice 3D/layered effect similar to the gen. (iphone camera can't capture that)

What can be improved:
1. Much better strap please. The gen strap blends into the case perfectly, but the rep strap, on top of being of a disgustingly low quality, is too narrow for the case, while the gen tapers a little. For reference, there's a much better rubber strap for the rep RM 11's, if anyone's interested.
2. AR would go a long way to improving this rep.

Final thoughts:

Very good bang for buck for a RM watch. Let's face it, probably 1 out of 10 people would realize this is an expensive watch, and out of those, few would be able to tell from a glance. Don't bank on this rep fooling a WIS or any AD though.

I've always loved RM watches, and if they ever came out with a 1:1 version, i'll be all for it. But as it stands, they still have a way to go before this can fool anyway.

Hope you guys enjoyed the review as much as i did writing it!


Thank you very much for the comparison, wow I can't wait to get my RM rep soon
 

nlnlnlnene

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Sick gen watch.
I want to get one someday.
What is the lug to lug length? 50?
 

jpohl402

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Thanks guys! Glad you all enjoyed it!

Here are the movement pics are requested:

12D2C681-62A4-49B1-8F02-9F78B0E66820-1467-000002043E664C79.jpg

0BF45831-3F87-4168-80C3-E7467E9495E9-1467-00000204356C4C13.jpg


Not that far off, actually. Though the construct and quality is clearly different.
My thumb is intentionally covering up the serial number, for obvious reason. I'm too lazy to photoshop it out. :p

So why did i choose this watch out of the others in the same price range?

Let me preface this by first saying that, you really have to love RM watches. ^^

The 2 main factors here are versatility and a lack of credible reps.

Watches in this price range are typically your more complicated pieces, perpetual calendars, chronographs etc. And more often than not, they're very dressy, and very likely packaged with a leather strap. Think PP Calatrava but complicated (i like simple watches).

With a lifestyle like mine, humid Singapore weather, public transportation, a dressy watch doesn't fit into my lifestyle. Hence, i need a bracelet watch or something with a rubber strap.

The former has tons of options, APRO/VCO/PP Nautilus are the obvious choices, but 1:1 reps of these are easily available. Why pay 30k when you can get a 90% accurate rep for 300$? lol

As for rubber strap watches, the only 2 options are APROO and the PP Aquanaut. But, just like the above options, there are already great reps of these! There are, however, some ROOs that can't be repped, but sadly, my wrists are small, and the ROO is too chunky for regular wear. Also, they seem out of place with a shirt and tie (my daily attire).

Which leaves RM as the best option. They fly under the radar, fits under my cuffs, goes well with shirt/tie combo as well as berms/tshirt (anything that's not work).

To sum up, i love reps! And it helps that people around me know i can afford the watches i wear. If they ever come up with a 1:1 RM, i'd totally sell my gen and buy it.



GREAT explanation!! I too like sporty watches & not into dressy watches at all...!
 

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and they are not normal movements