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[Review] Panerai PAM 111I (Little Hero vs GEN)

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*Thought I'd better be fair and spread the love across the three forums :)*

As a follow-up to this thread of the 111 then & now which showed pictures of my 111E and 111I, I thought I'd just throw together this quick comparison of my 111I versus gens.

Essentially yes, its a Little Hero watch, his latest "L" version ones. Its close, very close to gen, and a real dream to wear, here are the pics and comparisons and as with all my reviews, just follow the numbers;

Front

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1. P&A in PANERAI are a smidgen too close, we're talking 0.25mm too close sorta distance. A wee tell, but one nonetheless
2. the O is slightly wider and more squashed in the LH LUMINOR

No other tells on the dial I can see. Indices color is bang on to be honest, as is the off white printed text (gen is another series). CG is correct shape with sharp cutouts and the crown is nice and thick with right amount of teeth and bevel.

Only other tell from front on that is not illustrated is the AR on the crystal. It is horribly strong and blue. The gens have almost no color to the AR tint and its truly amazing. This is the first and only mod this watch is going for, a recoating of the AR. Check out Frogman's review of his LH 111 after the AR was recoated. Stunning

*Update* Text
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Was asked by If you see Kay regarding the "L SWISS MADE L" text. From a distance, they look accurate. But when you come in a little closer, the LH one though at the correct distance from the 6, is mildly longer in the text than the gen. To me, very mild tell cause quite honestly, I've never noticed it till I blew up these two pics. The font and fineness of the print is pretty good as well which makes this a pretty hard tell. But a tell is a tell ;)

Side - Crown Guard

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Can't spot any issues. Great thickness, correct slope, even the CG pin is polished too.

Side - Profile
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1. May be anlgle of the shots, but the base appears marginally thicker on the LH 111. Angle of the bezel though looks accurate. My 111E has a shallower angle which is incorrect
2. Profile of the lugs is incorrect. The base should a bit thicker with more of a taper.

Back - Movement

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This is where the disappointments begin.

1. The Cotes De Geneve engraving is the biggest tell now. The gen is amazingly fine engraving, whereas the rep, has obvious ridges. Another view of a gen's engraving;

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2. The amount of beveled edge on the sunburst wheels are a tad too thick, about 0.5mm too thick
3. The caseback is brushed rather than polished on the LH 111

Lume

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LH 111I on right, Vacc 111E on left. 1s exposure, 2mins between shots

Stunning lume no matter how you look at it.

For $1200, this watch is not cheap. When Little Hero has his $800 specials, its a little less painful a bite, and quite honestly, I believe its only worth $800 even with all his mods. That said, its a stunning watch. Its got a gen feel to it. Completely. Nice heft, wears well, hardly any tells. Even the movement is stunning, though any Risti will know its a rep movement.

Another thing to add is the little details that go to make this watch just that little bit more gen-life. The lever is very tight when unlocking and when locking back makes the satisfy "click" you get with the gens (I've handled a fair few). It is mildly looser as compared to the gens, but not the "I'm going everywhere" sorta loose either. Add to that is the caseset, its thicker than the normal cartel casesets all over. From thickness, to caseback thickness, lugs etc. Adds to the heft of the watch. Another thing is the crystal height above the bezel, very close to the gens again. Its these small things that just add to the complete aura of this watch. For 20% of the gen price, some might claim its too expensive. I agree its a lot of coin, but that 80% is money in my pocket to do with as I like and rock my life with a watch that's 95% close.

For the closest/best PAM, Little Hero is the only way to go. You still have to look for an aftermarket AR service though, the AR is just too damn strong for me.
 

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Tank you! For me, as an Panerai Neewby, it is very important to see the diffrent like your review!
 

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Thx for the comparison, I've never seen a gen caseback so far.
It's interesting knowing the gen would be polished. Can this come from the fact you're comparing different years versions ? Mine (111H) is brushed as well... :(

1200 sounds a bit tough indeed, and for this price it would be nice to get an aftermarket AR out of the box.
 

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nic review, but i agree with rooster, 1200 for a little hero watch is too much to swallow for me, but damn it is close!
 

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Thx for the comparison, I've never seen a gen caseback so far.
It's interesting knowing the gen would be polished. Can this come from the fact you're comparing different years versions ? Mine (111H) is brushed as well... :(

1200 sounds a bit tough indeed, and for this price it would be nice to get an aftermarket AR out of the box.

Good point, let me research a little more before I take the capecod to my caseback :D

For $1200, its too much. For $800, still acceptable, though the AR is a PITA.
 

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Damn, you're on a review writing binge. :)

Very nice comparison, I noticed the polished case backs about a month ago, and have since polished up all my SS manual PAMs that have a display back :D

I've also noticed that the LH movement uses screws with a rounded head, while the gens are flat, but just another small detail. The first thing they've got to do, is get some fine engraving done :)
 

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My gen 111H is a brushed case back. so it may appear different from various batches on wheather polish or brush case back.

The nice rep you have, rather impressed. May anyone able to share the info to buy the thick CG as this replica. I had tried Davisen but he appear no such thick CG. Any informations is appreciated.
 

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Hi watchfanatic,

I saw from the other forum that Nembo and Sead got someone to make a thicker CG, they are selling over there, you might want to check it out.

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watchfanatic: It would seem that there are differences between the caseback, here are two caseback pics of the "I" series and they show them to be polished. We know already that the J above and the K are polished too.

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So it seems that H series are correct in staying Brushed, but anything later should become polished.

Doc, seems you gotta rebrush your H series 111 if you have one :D
 

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My gen 111H is a brushed case back. so it may appear different from various batches on wheather polish or brush case back.

The nice rep you have, rather impressed. May anyone able to share the info to buy the thick CG as this replica. I had tried Davisen but he appear no such thick CG. Any informations is appreciated.

Little Hero sell the his CG separately, forget how much. Sead/Nembo on "other" :)) ) site used to sell their own version, but I believe they have sold all they had, and may be waiting for another manufacturing run - but I'm not sure.

Doc, seems you gotta rebrush your H series 111 if you have one :D

F that! Probably less work to just turn that H into an I, a little chip here and one there :D
 

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Ha! thank you for your info. after 2006, I had less attention on brand "Panerai" buy go into IWC and Hublot. For myself too long in panerai since 1999 and may be got enough.

Now just like to turn my Historical Pam into as gen look as possible. Will ask for the good CG. BTW, who is interested in Gen Pam 24's dial and hands. It is quite costly and just like to keep my old 24 in old patina look. Couldn't get a movement to turn the rep to gen dial. Paneristi is sewlling currently the whole set at 999USD.

There is a Singapore risti had express his interest but did not contact me . I may just send him a mail that I will be free to let go to anyone/
 

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unregistered I have stickied this thread, I hioe you do more to contribute to RWI, I know RG is your home forum, but we got great members here too!!
 

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haha, thanks alvinado. I'll try to hang around here more. For reviews, I'll definitely share them amongst all the 3 forums, I think that's only fair for all the new guys and members.

Thanks for the support all.