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Reluming a sausage??

KinCaidk

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Hello All,

I have searched EVERYWHERE for some tips and pointer, maybe even a guide on reluming a PAM sausage dial.

Hell, I almost downloaded the internet in my quest for some tips...

Does anyone has anything on this topic?
Would like to relume it myself as it is part of the joy of reps :)

Thanks in advance,
 

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Have you done this before? That dial is not easy and I only know about 3 or 4 people in this forum which can do that.
 

daytona4me

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this is probably the single most protected secret of our professional modders. You won't find tips or tricks most likely. I wish there were some so I could learn as well.
 

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Steady hands and alot of practice. The lume must be the right consistency and the are needs to be prepped.
O yes, and again..alot of practice.
 

KinCaidk

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I have never tried reluming anything before.
But hey, practice makes perfect. right?

Actually I read an aknowledged relumer on another forum saying:
The only way you learn reluming, is by reluming.

(or something like that)

But I don't see why the modders won't share their experiences. It's not like they will loose customers. I will probably relume it myself anyway, just to get some experience.

We're all here for the same reason, right?
Our fascination about beautiful watches and the curse that comes with them :)

/KinCaidk
 

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Ok, just start with an broken watch and do a lume job with the hands. I wrote a post how to do that, just search. You will find the info from whom to buy the lume here in RWI.

Then, when it works out you need to get some tools for the sausage dial. You can get them from tritec in Switzerland.

Here are the tools you need and good luck

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KinCaidk

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guru said:
Ok, just start with an broken watch and do a lume job with the hands. I wrote a post how to do that, just search. You will find the info from whom to buy the lume here in RWI.

Then, when it works out you need to get some tools for the sausage dial. You can get them from tritec in Switzerland.

Here are the tools you need and good luck

37b3100bdb.jpg


Dscn0564-auss.jpg

Thanks a lot Guru.
I am pretty sure I did my homework on the hands already, just need to practice :)

ad for the sausage dial, I guess I just have to try some different techniques.

Isn't it possible to do it without all the hardware? I don't plan to make a living of this, so I could imagine one of those would be a pretty big investment.
 

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Sure you can, use oilers and don't drink the night before you do it.
If you know how to do the hands, then it is easy.
 

KinCaidk

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I will stay sober a whole week before. I promise [smilie=angel1.gif]

now, where do I get a good oiler? Maybe you know a place in germany?

I am from denmark, and I have no clue what a oiler is called in danish.
as far as the lume. I found your post about the hands. But wasn't able to find where I buy lume..

Thanks for the good advices anyway :)
 

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I don't mind sharing tips to help others try luming, then once someone tries it, they appreciate our work even more :lol:

Watchbuff was spot on. With a sausage dial more than ever, the consistency of the mix is crucial,
even more so if you're just luming straight over existing lume. A lot of this depends on the binder or varnish you're using, some are better than others for this, Tritec A100 is good and Noctilumina Binder 3 is similar, whereas binder 1A is a PITA here, too stringy and the short working pot life means you're constantly adding diluter.

It needs to be thick enough to limit the flow so it doesn't run on to the dial but not yet too tacky or stringing and will allow you to run the bead of mix along the marker in as few applications as possible while it still has a wet edge to flow into. It quickly goes tacky and skins over, so then going back and retouching it will probably spoil it.
As with oiling a watch movement, the other skill is picking up the right amount of lume on your applicator. Too much and it will flow where you don't want it. Too little and you'll be applying it in dots, making it more difficult to get a good straight line and it will probably start to go tacky on you.
You also need to be comfortable working under high magnification, I typically use 10 - 20x under a stereo zoom microscope and for complicated sections will use much higher magnification.
It does take a while for your hand/eye coordination to adapt to working at that kind of magnification and allow small enough movements.
Finally, find the time of day when your hand control is steadiest. For me, I do difficult work late in the evening and don't drink coffee for a few hours beforehand, it does make a difference.
 

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KinCaidk said:
I will stay sober a whole week before. I promise [smilie=angel1.gif]

now, where do I get a good oiler? Maybe you know a place in germany?

I am from denmark, and I have no clue what a oiler is called in danish.
as far as the lume. I found your post about the hands. But wasn't able to find where I buy lume..

Thanks for the good advices anyway :)


Try http://www.watch-tool.de/shop.php

Go to 'Tools' then 'Cleaning/Testing' and oilers are half way down the page.

Another option (that I prefer personally) is a selection of small gauge technical drawing pens as made by Rotring or Staedtler.

One final tip - keep stirring the mix! it's frustrating to manage a decent application just to find that the glow is patchy.
 

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@ rocketeer
I feel comfortable now to send you my watch
 

KinCaidk

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Rocketeer >> You're the man! :)

Actually, I would have sent my watch to you.
But I am curious to find out if I can do it myself.

Maybe I should think it over once again :) :)
 

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The other night a woman approached me in a bar and said she would like to relume my sausage for 500 bucks. :eek:
 

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I would never even try to relume my own sausage! I have an old back injury...
But when you get it perfected, please send the details. I'll forward them to my ex-wife!!
:D
 

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i tried to relume once, well didnt even close to get there, i can even get the mix right :p
so when i applied to the dial, they all look grainy, hehehe
 

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How much is the lume and a machine like that???

Is there a deatailed tutorial on how to do it?