Radiomir with wire lugs situation 2021

[P1EMO]

I'm looking for a Radiomir with the wire lugs type and onion crown, along with SS case.
Likely a PAM685 but with the polished bezel

Are those all out of production and shall I hope to see one in the M2M area? It seems to me that are impossible to find, but it's also the most classic look.

 

[KOT1917]

Hello.
I assume that you are not limited to a 47mm diameter by analogy with pam685, and accept 45mm.
I think today you can ask TD only about pam388. But there are fears that they also ended.

If we talk about the possibilities of m2m, then there are many options. I would prefer the pam380 from HF, but there are many models out there, according to your requirements.

If we talk about 47mm, then it is worth looking for pam424, pam425, pam448 from ZF. They are very good and have excellent P.3000 clones.

 

[P1EMO]

Hello.
I assume that you are not limited to a 47mm diameter by analogy with pam685, and accept 45mm.
I think today you can ask TD only about pam388. But there are fears that they also ended.

If we talk about the possibilities of m2m, then there are many options. I would prefer the pam380 from HF, but there are many models out there, according to your requirements.

Thanks, actually 47mm it's not a limitation, 45mm might be even better since it's a bit more "elegant" IMHO.

Ideally I'd be looking for a closed case (not to see the movement on the back), with no date or seconds, therfore with the dial with 3-6-9-12 numbers.
I'm definetly a noob, but Panerai is on the other side producing countless models every year. It's very comlpicated to keep the pace with the codes ahah

 

[KOT1917]

With a base without a second hand, it is difficult, if we talk about 45mm., It will be either pam210 but with a transparent backcase, or pam643, but made of black ceramic.

If you allow a second hand, then pam380 will be added, pam183 with a transparent backcase, pam609 also with a transparent backcase. 292 also made of black ceramics, and, for example, pam346, but with a second hand, and a transparent backcase, and in a titanium case.

It seems that if you want a more historic look, it is better to go 47mm.

But to simplify, it is better to buy a tent, put it in the m2m section and expect there what comes first, and do not forget to place the WTB on the required model. Sooner or later, you will get what you are looking for.

 

[P1EMO]

The transparent backcase for me it's an issue only cause it may lead to being a rep much easier.
Have a PAM382 and seeing the movement in the back not properly aligned drives me crazy!

So actually the PAM210 woul be a good pick, but don't know anything about the movement they put inside. I see that (despite being out of stock) on the TD sites the price it's almost half of the common PAM rep.

Probably I'll have to move to 47mm and second hand (which are definetly not a big issue), but prefer to have the sandwich dial. It leaves me only with the 183, but it's a manual, right?

Someone should to a chart in which you pick the specs and it provides you the right model you're looking for!

 

[KOT1917]

The PAM210 and PAM183 are the base and second hand models. They are both with transparent caseback and both with A6497 with hand wind. Both also have a sandwich.

Solid casebacks from 45mm have, as I said, only pam380, pam643 and pam292.

Speaking of 47mm, it will be hand wind anyway. It can be a clone of p.3000, a decoration for p.3000 with A6497, or just 6497. Well, or a cortebert design, if you choose pam021, there are also models with minerva decoration pam309, for example, but this is titanium and quite a rarity, but it will also be a manual wind.

Only models with a date or chronograph will be automatic, like pam388, pam288, pam214 for example.

As for the tables for selecting rep models, you should check out the sticky topics of the panerai section.

 

[nitocx]

Your minimalist dial taste leave you a few options in Radiomir PAMs available with Rad Base no seconds hands... none of them still reps available...PAM 753, 720 & 721.

In 45 mm Radiomir reps you must go and look for a PAM 380, 388 in steel or a PAM 292 in black ceramica in m2m sections.

In 47 mm Radiomir reps you must go to PAM 604 Firenze or maybe an historic homage custom made, not easily available and expensive.

Or maybe an AE special homage 721 will fit your taste... is available and cheap...

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNkTz0R

 

[P1EMO]

Your minimalist dial taste leave you a few options in Radiomir PAMs available with Rad Base no seconds hands... none of them still reps available...PAM 753, 720 & 721.
In 45 mm Radiomir reps you must go and look for a PAM 380, 388 in steel or a PAM 292 in black ceramica in m2m sections.
In 47 mm Radiomir reps you must go to PAM 604 Firenze or maybe an historic homage custom made, not easily available and expensive.
Or maybe an AE special homage 721 will fit your taste... is available and cheap...
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNkTz0R

It's minimalistic since if I'd like something more evident and appearing, there's the whole luminor and submersible line with the typical crown guard. Which I love, but I need something different.
Of the luminor I love the "old times" look which perfectly fit with suits for more elegant occasions (as of today for those moments I'm using a Navitimer B01)

Anyhow I see that I'm a bit too late for these type of models. Even though the 604 is astonishingly beautiful, I believe it's a bit "too much" being in my 30's..a bit old fashioned.


What about the 721 on AE? I see it needs some mods to refine the whole movement which is missing several details
But you got it with the PAM720, would be an astonishing pick, it would make me accept the transparent backcase!


I'm trying to build up a bit of variety, despite being all nice, I don't want to start having 4 submersible that are different only by the colours

 

[Thewatchwolf]

PAM685 is a great choice.

 

[Michoua]

PAM685 is a great choice.

Very nice watch ( i have the 687), but only available in M2M's.
Correct me if i'm wrong but there is no Radiomir available right now in our TD's
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[Thewatchwolf]

Very nice watch ( i have the 687), but only available in M2M's.
Correct me if i'm wrong but there is no Radiomir available right now in our TD's
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No, not currently through TD’s, but they are out there.

 

[Goldenboy74]

Hello guys, I've been looking for these three references for a while, can you tell me how can I get them?
PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio 8 Days (45mm) KW / V6F
PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph A7750 (45mm) K series - H maker
PAM 424 - Radiomir California Super Clone P.3000 (47mm) Q series - ZF V2

 

[JayBee0815]

All three are not produced anymore, so you probably wont get them from the TDs. The best thing, you can do, is to watch the M2M-Sales-Section or you make a request in the WTB-Section.

 

[KOT1917]

Hello guys, I've been looking for these three references for a while, can you tell me how can I get them?
PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio 8 Days (45mm) KW / V6F
PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph A7750 (45mm) K series - H maker
PAM 424 - Radiomir California Super Clone P.3000 (47mm) Q series - ZF V2

The above has already said everything is correct, all these watches are sold out for a long time, and these factories are not active in pams, but I will add that although this is not an adequate replacement for ZF, you can consider 424 in this form:

https://trustytime.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=22845

You can get a general idea about them here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9766398-radiomirs-449-448-425-424-available

Again, this is not a full-fledged replacement, but what you most likely will be able to get during the raid period, new from TD, while performing your WTB in M2M.

 

[Goldenboy74]

The above has already said everything is correct, all these watches are sold out for a long time, and these factories are not active in pams, but I will add that although this is not an adequate replacement for ZF, you can consider 424 in this form:

https://trustytime.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=22845

You can get a general idea about them here:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9766398-radiomirs-449-448-425-424-available

Again, this is not a full-fledged replacement, but what you most likely will be able to get during the raid period, new from TD, while performing your WTB in M2M.

Thank you for the tips, so for having new ones from TD there is no hope even after the raids?

 

[KOT1917]

Factory H for PAM288 has been closed for many years and does not produce anything at all. V6F for pam346 also, watches that have not been produced for several years, and V6F as such is not produced by PANERAI, only in the form of VSF and with a different model range.

So no, 288 and 346 have to be found m2m, but it's not that difficult. Just spend some time on it.