Question on winding p.3000 super-clone

[interzonez]

New to replicas and also re-new to winding movements.

Just bought a PAM564 from ChazingTime. It's an excellent rep.

On winding the cloned p.3000 - I wound it today from relatively unwound feel to progressively tighter. The wind seemed to go on for a long time at a steady state of firm winding movement. I could not tell when fully wound and was concerned to keep on winding. I stopped when it got to the point that when I let go the crown it sprung back every so slightly having resisted the forward motion.

I'd appreciate any knowledgeable rep owners and watchmen who might be able to describe the characteristics of the cloned p.3000 movement in my PAM564 and what I should look out for when winding.

I guess a related Q would be how do I know if a movement is in good condition, correctly lubed etc. Just received the watch yesterday and it is running very well.

Thanks!

 

[mysterio]

Just wind any manual wind movement until you feel the resistance. You can still wind it until it stops but if you're worried about it, then just the resistance will tell you to stop. Plus the superclone P.3000 movement is accurate only up to 3 days of its 5+ days of power reserve so it wouldn't make sense to wind it all the way anyway (that said, I wind all my manual winds completely up to the stop :lmao: ).

The only way to know if the movement is good condition/properly lubed/etc is to tear down the movement (or have a qualified watchmaker do it for you). What they will find will vary greatly as these are movements assembled illegally in a factory in most likely non-optimal conditions by underpaid workers.

 

[interzonez]

Thanks @mysterio - looks like I've wound it all the way.. I think.. I turn, let go, it spins back..!:bolt:

So these p.3000's fully wound would provide 5 days of power but start losing time after 3 days? So effectively a rewind needed after 3 days? Should a movement like this be left to wind down - at least to the 3 day mark - before being wound - I can see myself just winding the movement whenever.. don't know if that is advisable..

I actually found a local watchmaker by chance earlier.. Looked like he knew his stuff.. shop fully of clocks and watches.. would it be better to source someone who has experience with these reps / clones though?

 

[PsychoTee16]

Thanks @mysterio - looks like I've wound it all the way.. I think.. I turn, let go, it spins back..!:bolt:

So these p.3000's fully wound would provide 5 days of power but start losing time after 3 days? So effectively a rewind needed after 3 days? Should a movement like this be left to wind down - at least to the 3 day mark - before being wound - I can see myself just winding the movement whenever.. don't know if that is advisable..

I actually found a local watchmaker by chance earlier.. Looked like he knew his stuff.. shop fully of clocks and watches.. would it be better to source someone who has experience with these reps / clones though?

If it spins back there is something wrong with the movement. There is a stop that should prevent your town from spinning backwards.
My 111 did that and I had to send it out the get serviced.

 

[interzonez]

I see. Thanks @tbuttery - the crown doesn't spin back the same revolution as it has been wound, just noticeably kicks back slightly - still seems to be allowing some winding.. doesn't seem to get to a point where it cannot be wound further.. meanwhile the movement is running fine.

 

[PsychoTee16]

I see. Thanks @tbuttery - the crown doesn't spin back the same revolution as it has been wound, just noticeably kicks back slightly - still seems to be allowing some winding.. doesn't seem to get to a point where it cannot be wound further.. meanwhile the movement is running fine.

Okay I misunderstood you. You should be able to wind it all the way until you feel it stop. You'll be able to tell.

 

[interzonez]

Thanks I will try. I just read over at rolexforums a discussion of the p.3000 movement with reports of users saying 90 turns until stop.. some saying more.. according to the original poster..

Would it be better to just leave it to let it run and gauge first how much reserve it has at the moment? Came from the TD only yesterday and was running so don't know if it had been fully wound or not.

 

[mysterio]

Thanks I will try. I just read over at rolexforums a discussion of the p.3000 movement with reports of users saying 90 turns until stop.. some saying more.. according to the original poster..

Would it be better to just leave it to let it run and gauge first how much reserve it has at the moment? Came from the TD only yesterday and was running so don't know if it had been fully wound or not.

There isn't a fixed number because the variable will be the user's digits and method of turning. Some may move the crown a little at a time and call that a turn, some may purposefully wind from one side of the case to the other side. So in total full rotations, they might be close together but in number of turns, it will vary greatly.

 

[interzonez]

I let the movement power down. Lasted approx 4.5 days. I then rewound - didn't count exactly but seemed approx 90 turns. This time I kept going and came to a definite stop. Will now see how much farther this p.3000 clone movement makes it past 4.5 days!

 

[interzonez]

The p.3000 superclone moement in my PAM564 VSF is lasting 6 fulls days on a full wind. Very good I'd say!

 

[mysterio]

The p.3000 superclone moement in my PAM564 VSF is lasting 6 fulls days on a full wind. Very good I'd say!

That's about par for the movement as it's been regularly clocked at more than 140 hours power reserve. But the accuracy is said to go down after around 3 days operation so it's best to wind it after 72 hours. Well, it's supposed to clone a 3-day movement anyway.