quartz movement in navimeters?

[COLDI]

Well I have decided I want a Navimeter. I have been looking at two. One is from t4d and the other is from watch eden. Both use a quartz movement with working chrono. My question is what is the quartz movement do exactly? Is it more suitable for using chrono's opposed to a 21j or eta? Also do you guys own either and what do u all think of them?

the one from watch eden:
http://www.watcheden.com/breitling-navi ... html#photo

the one from t4d:
viewtopic.php?f=196&t=45565

thanks!

 

[brtelec]

If the watch is a 21j chrono, the chrono functions do not work as a chronograph. The chrono hand runs all the time as a second hand. The subdials are usually date or days. The Quartz chronos are accurate timekeepers and function as a proper chronograph. The only thing wrong with them is the seconds subdial ticks as any other quartz watch. The upside of this is the subdial second hand is so small no one will notice. The only real problem with quartz watches is the fact that most people in this hobby prefer mechanical movements. If you are not the type to tinker with your watches and you do not care if it is mechanical or not, buy a quartz version. They are reasonably priced and keep excellent time.

 

[manydivers]

The dials at 9, 6, 3 :

9 is elapsed chrono minutes
6 is running seconds
3 is a 24 hour dial, not chrono hours

The dials at 12, 9, 3

12 is elapsed chrono minutes
9 is elapsed chrono hours (12)
6 is running seconds

The layouts for the quartz are not the same as the "real" mechanicals.
In the quartz Navi's the dials have been correctly labelled, not always the case.
e.g. for http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtop ... 96&t=44617
All the sub dials are labelled incorrectly but the same as the mechanical watch.

/mds.

 

[COLDI]

When you all say mechanical movement what exactly do you all mean?

I know some about the quartz as in that they are very reliable and can handle chronos. For me I don't work on my watches too much as normally I feel that in the end you are still buying a fake and why spend so much money and have a eta crap out on you when a 21j could be in there and 99 percent of the population won't be able to tell and its a lot cheaper to replace. Not saying that it would be nice to have but this point in my life with being in debt with school I feel like the cheaper movements are better for me. That being said I do really like the watches to be pretty accurate (at leasr for the money) .

So for this is there one preferred of the other the quartz vs the 21j in terms of accuracy and their subdial placings and what each subdial does?

Thanks!

 

[brtelec]

A mechanical watch is just what it says, mechanical. A quartz watch is electric and traditionally takes a battery. Of course there are exceptions like the Eco-Drives or the Kinetics. The only person you will have to worry about as far as calling you out on this watch, is a dealer. If you wear it into a Breitling dealer you deserve to be embareassed.

 

[COLDI]

I thought that was a cardinal rule, never wear a rep into a AD . As for the quartz is it smooth sweeping then? I know all current watches I have looked at are mechanical/automatic movement. So with the quartz movement will it just tick? If it does sweep how smooth is it?

EDIT: so after some researching it sounds like the second hand does sweep however the subdials tick which isn't noticable because the movement is so small, is this correct? I just don't want the big hand for the seconds to be ticking. Also I have heard that the weight is a lot different from their automatic brothers is this true?

Pretty much I just don't want the second hand to tick and now that's what I am trying to determine

 

[brtelec]

Quartz movements tick, they do not sweep like a mechanical movement.

 

[COLDI]

That's what I needed to know! Thanks for the help! So if I wanted the automatic movement I would have to settle with a 21j for about the same price and non working chronos that work as days and weeks so to speak, right?

I just don't want to invest in a 7750 bc some of the reviews I have read about the crapping out after 6 months

 

[brtelec]

I have had nothing but good luck with A7750 movements.

 

[fakemaster]

If you want working chronos on the cheap quartz is the way to go.

 

[COLDI]

Working chronos would be nice not necessary. Do you all know what a gen navitimer has? Obviously working chronos but does the second hand move?

If so would you all go with a 21j movement. I know I will get a sucken date wheel but I can live with that. Thanks!

 

[brtelec]

I had a 21j navitimer in white when I first started out in this. The running chrono hand drove me crazy. I personally would prefer the A7750, but of the two other choices I would choose the Quartz version.

 

[trailboss99]

If the choice was 21J (non working chronos and the wrong sec hand moving) or quartz I would go for the quartz. I intend to buy one myself soon to get the feel for a navi and see just how big it looks on my wrist.

Rember, with a chrono watch such as this the second hand that should be moving all the time is the little one on a subdial so it is unlikely that anyone will notice it ticks instead of sweeps.

They will, however, notice a 21J 'cause its the big second hand on the main dial thats running instead. Smoothly yes but wrong hand. Go the quartz. Chronos (if you can not or don't wish to afford a A7750) and reps of quartz gens are the only time I would recomend quartz.

The newer A7750s are in fact quite reliable. The only ones that can and do give trouble are the Daytonas with sec @6 instead of 9. This is beacuse of the extra module required to transmit the secs from their native position @9 to the six o'clock dial. These should be advoided like the plague IMO.


Col.

 

[COLDI]

Thanks for the help guys. For some reason I thought that the big second hand was suppose to move all the time but it sounds like that is the chrono hand right? And the seconds hand is actually on the subdial?

 

[manydivers]

For a chrono the large second hand is elapsed chrono seconds, it should normally be at 12 when the chrono is not running.

An automatic faux chrono looks like the chrono is running all the time, (but its not of course), but it has a smooth sweep.

A quartz chrono has running seconds on a subdial, ticking.

Some quartz chrono's, not the Navi's, have a microrotor for the chrono seconds that looks smooth sweep, leave it running it eats the battery.
Most quartz chrono's have ticking chrono seconds, which is a giveaway when it is running.
(some have 1/10 second subdials, not common, and often these do not work. I have a big quartz Breitling that does do 1/10 for the chrono).

If you want the buttons to be chrono buttons and the big second to be at 12 go quartz.
If you want the big second to be running to show its running and automatic go faux chrono.

I have some of the first, and none of the latter.

/mds.

 

[COLDI]

Thank you to everyone I decided to get the quartz version. I figure as long as I don't run the chronos I think it will be a good watch for me. Now to just decide between the dealers...









Will post pics when it arrives