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Pre-V Lug Screws Problem

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d4m.test

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As a disclaimer, I'm not posting this as an accusation of who's right or wrong, I'm just trying to get advice on how to fix the problem. I don't want to make any waves right now and can possibly accept that I am at fault for the problem.

I just bought and received a 5218-201a Pre-V build yesterday with 111J case and WSO lugbars. I've owned a DSN build and currently have a Newborn DSN build.

It shipped with 1 keeper loose, and a massive sew-in buckle that it would never slip over in a million years. I wanted to put the keeper on right away before I even wore the watch.

I grabbed a screwdriver (1.6mm I believe) and went to unscrew the top right screw. It wouldn't turn at all. I didn't have a second screwdriver holding the top left screw and I wasn't pinching the strap at the lugs tight at all. I found this very strange. I applied a little more torque and it finally started turning counterclockwise. It came out about .5mm out from the lug and just spun freely at that point. I tried yanking it out with my fingernails and it wouldn't pull out at all, though I could hardly get a good grip with that little sticking out. I screwed it back in CW until there was a little bit of tightness again, but then it "skipped" a bit and then started spinning freely both ways. Keep in mind that I was looking at the top left screw and it hadn't budge at all.

I tried the top left screw, and it was also very tight but started to turn CCW with less tension. The top right screw was also turning with it, so I grabbed a second screwdriver to hold it. Nothing happened, but I assumed it was because the top right screw was probably fubar'd at that point. I pinched the strap at the lugs and started unscrewing the top left screw and it felt tight again, then started turning CCW but also only came out .5mm or so and stopped coming out. It just kept spinning until eternity, and screwing it back in had the exact same result as the other screw.

The seller said that it's possible I was pushing in too hard when unscrewing, but it's hard to say because these screws were uncharacteristically tight, like they were loctited or something.

I tried the bottom right screw after his reply and made sure to be very careful about pushing in too much when unscrewing, but the exact same result. Way too tight, then spun freely. The bottom left screw is practically untouched, but I tested it to confirm it was also tight as hell.

Any advice on how to get these screws out without damaging anything? Having a PAM that you can't change the straps on is pretty useless.
 
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d4m.test

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I just had this problem when changing straps on my DSN build. I removed the screw from one side and pinched the tube inside the strap while unscrewing the other screw....it would not budge. I was scared I thought for sure I had cross threaded it. But before I lost hope, I put the first screw back in. Without tightening it all the way I pulled out another screw driver and held it in place while working on the second screw. The second screw came free like it was never stuck. Just the tiny bit of torque gain from the other screwdriver was all it took.

It is ideal to use two screw drivers and always turn counter clockwise to seat the threads before tightening.

By the way you can get a nice set of replacement pre v lug bars on eBay for $19. I just bought some they are solid.
 
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d4m.test

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Thanks, but my first problem is getting them off in the first place. Lol. I'll try again tonight.

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d4m.test

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I hope you followed what I'm saying....You need two screw drivers when they get stuck. Go buy an eyeglass repair kit that has another screwdriver.
 
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d4m.test

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Yup, I followed. I'll have to try it when I get back Thursday. I'm on my way into the wild for a couple of days

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korneevy

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Get a third hand tool or just remove a 1.6 blade, put it in the vice facing the ceiling, then position the watch in such a way that one lug screw is firmly slotted on the blade properly and then hold it steady and use the second screwdriver to unscrew half way, then turn it over and go the remaining length from the opposite side. Prev screws are pain in the arse and rep ones such as Dsn are not machined to same standard as gen so can easily strip or pinch if you go about it the way you described in op...then you will be out if luck as removing them will be almost impossible...
 

frigpig

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The seller striped the threads in the past and then loctited them......sound like with super glue. Not cool. If I where you I'd ask him to get DSN to send you a set.
 
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d4m.test

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Hmmm... Oh well. Not sure what to do at this point. I can't even imagine stripping 3 out of 3 screws when I've never stripped a single screw in a watch in my life before. These screws were extremely tight and required a ton of torque to budge, yet they felt like they were immediately stripped as soon as they budged.

Could it be my own doing?

Screw #1 was unscrewed without a second screwdriver, and didn't come out.
Screw #2 was unscrewed with a second screwdriver, same result
Screw #3 was unscrewed with the pinch method, same result.

If they were legitimately screwed in that tight without aid of glue, I would think they would not strip that easily.

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d4m.test

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JeeZus Raji. I'm sorry for my earlier post. I didn't read your question. All the way through. Now that I have re-read the question it sounds like the lugscrews
were glued. No excuse for that when you can buy a new set for $19. I'd ask for a $20 refund to cover some new screws if it turns out they were glued.
 
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d4m.test

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GLUUUUUUUUUUUUE!

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This was a custom build by the seller. I fear opening the case back.

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d4m.test

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I should mention that the top left lug screw was stuck to the lug. I had to unscrew the bar at an angle and pull it out, then push the screw out from the inside. And it was tough.

I cleaned off the screws and the inside of the lug bar, and the screws slide in and out like a 10 year old in a retired porn star.

I haven't even tackled the bottom lug yet. One screw is still untouched and practically unturnable.

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d4m.test

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As a disclaimer, I'm not posting this as an accusation of who's right or wrong, I'm just trying to get advice on how to fix the problem. I don't want to make any waves right now and can possibly accept that I am at fault for the problem.

I guess this went out the window. :raji:

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d4m.test

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And I got a third screw out, with obvious white glue residue at the tip of the screw, and who knows what hard black stuff at the head.

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And has to break the last screw out since the threads were super glued.

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Very dishonest for a $20 set of pre-v lug bars

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d4m.test

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Seller apologized and offered a good explanation. Brother borrowed watch and secured loose screws unbeknownst to seller. Offered compensation for lug bars.

Thanks! I'm happy again. Lol

:raji:

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d4m.test

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Raji, that sucks...DSN's lug bars are about 15 bucks for the set. You can get some ebay lugs for $19. $20 will cover the cost of these lugs for sure. This is a GREAT build.