My journey with this DSSD started with the purchase from a trusted member on RWG who received this watch from Josh. The description was:
What makes them think they can get away with it?
* First, the clones are very good copies of the gen ETA. For many, it's hard to tell the difference without knowing the tells.
* Second, most people don't open their watches, and even fewer have them serviced by someone who can tell the difference.
* Third, the odds of not being called out are on their side. Once someone does discover they've been had, there's a chance that they won't say anything because they're embarrassed or because they want to sell it the same way it was sold to them. Please note that I said "chance." There are many who are serious about this hobby and take pride in being honest. For them, integrity is more important than a few extra dollars. For this dealer, not having integrity adds up over the thousands of watches sold and a healthy bank account.
The Josh watch I purchased from another member was serviced, and the ETA was proven to be a clone...
I'm not crying about the fact that it's a clone Vs an ETA. What I am saying is that when this dealer charges a premium price for claiming that a watch has a different movement than it actually does, this cannot be a trusted dealer, and should be taken into consideration when deciding who to support.
Some may ask, "Hey Andrew, how do you know that the watch actually came from Josh, and why trust that person who sold it to you over the dealer?" My response is that the seller is a trusted member on the RWG forum, and has a great deal of integrity. He sold the watch under the assumption that what Josh described was honest and accurate. He even opened the watch and it looked like an ETA to him. Many of the watches you will find in the member sales section will be sold under the same assumption. For those that are selling a watch claiming it's an ETA, this is why you are asked to take a photo of the movement. It's not that they don't trust you, it's that they need to be sure that what you were told is accurate.
Here is a replacement bezel insert from Josh/Precious Time that is supposed to fix an off center pearl issue that came with one of his Ultimate DSSD's...
–noun
reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence.
In my opinion, any Josh watch that is claimed to have an ETA movement needs to be verified. Because there are questions about Josh's integrity, there's no way that he can be considered a trusted dealer.
As we all know, purchasing a watch with an ETA movement is a bonus. Many know also that there really isn't much difference between the gen ETA and a clone. The clones work great for the most part and are cheaper than the ETA. What the dealers know is that they can charge more for a gen ETA than a clone. What many suspect, and fewer know is that some dealers actually claim that the clone is the ETA to take the most they can from their customers.
What makes them think they can get away with it?
* First, the clones are very good copies of the gen ETA. For many, it's hard to tell the difference without knowing the tells.
* Second, most people don't open their watches, and even fewer have them serviced by someone who can tell the difference.
* Third, the odds of not being called out are on their side. Once someone does discover they've been had, there's a chance that they won't say anything because they're embarrassed or because they want to sell it the same way it was sold to them. Please note that I said "chance." There are many who are serious about this hobby and take pride in being honest. For them, integrity is more important than a few extra dollars. For this dealer, not having integrity adds up over the thousands of watches sold and a healthy bank account.
The Josh watch I purchased from another member was serviced, and the ETA was proven to be a clone...
I'm not crying about the fact that it's a clone Vs an ETA. What I am saying is that when this dealer charges a premium price for claiming that a watch has a different movement than it actually does, this cannot be a trusted dealer, and should be taken into consideration when deciding who to support.
Some may ask, "Hey Andrew, how do you know that the watch actually came from Josh, and why trust that person who sold it to you over the dealer?" My response is that the seller is a trusted member on the RWG forum, and has a great deal of integrity. He sold the watch under the assumption that what Josh described was honest and accurate. He even opened the watch and it looked like an ETA to him. Many of the watches you will find in the member sales section will be sold under the same assumption. For those that are selling a watch claiming it's an ETA, this is why you are asked to take a photo of the movement. It's not that they don't trust you, it's that they need to be sure that what you were told is accurate.
Here is a replacement bezel insert from Josh/Precious Time that is supposed to fix an off center pearl issue that came with one of his Ultimate DSSD's...
–noun
reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence.
In my opinion, any Josh watch that is claimed to have an ETA movement needs to be verified. Because there are questions about Josh's integrity, there's no way that he can be considered a trusted dealer.
