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{*PCTeam*} XF PAM389 Pictorial Review

mysterio

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So this is what, the fourth? :lmao: I worry that you guys would be tired of reading reviews from me by now. But I'm sure there is at least one member who could still find this review interesting and heck, maybe even helpful, so I hope you'd find this one or the other. :) So here goes my review of the...
Luminor 1950 Submersible 3 Days Automatic PAM 389
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The PAM389 was first released in 2012 and is still currently in production (although it is expected to cease production once the PAM1389 has been released, as per the standard OP strategy). It is a 47mm Submersible with a full titanium construction, making it very wearable for a 47mm watch, as such with similarly constructed submersibles. It has the added feature of the ceramic insert on the bezel which gave the watch a much needed contrast with the monotone appearance of the brushed titanium finish. It was fortunate to have come out with the important milestone of the P.9000 decorative plated movement in the same year for replicas. Although that point was an academic issue since the PAM389 had the closed caseback, thereby hiding any inaccuracies with the balance wheel @6 for the Seagull ST2555 based movement and @11 for the A7750 based watch. The rep's release was received well, with many calling it a super rep, without considering the lack of any gen P.9000 functions. Fast forward to a few months ago with VSF and then XF coming out with the newly modified P.9000 movement with the balance wheel @7, same as gen, first with the PAM441, VSF's initial outing, with the PAM312 and the PAM359 coming in several weeks later. It was inevitable that all reps using the P.9000 based movements especially those with open casebacks at least, would be receiving this upgrade. Along with the replica of the newly announced PAM1389, XF also will be releasing the PAM389 which is the version that I will be reviewing right now. I am debating whether to review watches that have not been released officially yet (although I did preview the original PAM682 which had the wrong lume, which was relayed to XF and subsequently corrected prior to release). Also this is not a new watch, just an updated one to have the new P.9000 movement clone.

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The watch I was provided photos of isn't using the P.9000 movement but a Seagull ST2555 like the previous generation. But we'll proceed with the review with what we got.
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Crown and crown guard - Usual good quality, with the slight chamfers at the sides of the half-moon shape, same as gen. REG T.M. engraving is where it should be and font is correct. Crown is thick as it should be, no skinny crowns here. CG pin is stainless steel as it is on the gen and contrasts nicely with the titanium crown guard. Lever tip has the correct shape,
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Dial - Stick markers all around with larger single stick marker @6 and double stick markers @12. Date window @3 and seconds subdial @9. You may see a different image on the Panerai website where the font is noticeably thicker and more patinated (brownish). I believe this is for the later years as I've checked other O-series gen PAM389s and they all have the thinner and closer to white font for the LUMINOR SUBMERSIBLE text. The Amagnetic text is still a light gray.
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Bezel - Bezel has the nice matte ceramic insert. The bezel minute markers from 0-15 are sharp and legible and the circular hour markers just slightly protruding from the ceramic insert.
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Bezel pearl is flat like on the gen but it seems to be sunk a bit deeper than on the gen.
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Bezel chamfer is nicely done, very smooth and polished. Bezel teeth are well defined.
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Case - Well done case, brushed titanium with short lugs which is expected for a watch with the P.9000 based movement. The case has already reacted to the environment which is why the titanium case looks darker.

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You can also see that there is a chamfer on both top and bottom sides of the bezel.
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Caseback - The usual engravings on the caseback, with the correct millesimation (I have seen the incorrect 800 on SF, versus the correct 1000 for O series PAM389).
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Movement - Nothing surprising here, with the P.9000 updated movement installed. The movement used is the Seagull ST2555. Not accurate for the P.9000 movement but since this is a closed caseback model, it's not that critical (although it does mean this particular rep is cheaper than the usual A7750 based version).
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Lume - Also nothing surprising but you can see the lume is all green (as to be expected on a current model, the PAM1389 in comparison has dual lume).
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In conclusion, the XF PAM389 is every bit as good, if not better than its sister factory's release several months earlier, even though this particular watch still does not use the P.9000 movement (it may still come out later). If you haven't gotten a PAM389 yet and are thinking about it, this is a very good time to get one. ;)

Thanks for looking! :)
 
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Very good review,thanks for sharing[emoji2]


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Thanks. I've always liked the ceramic bezel on these SUBs but 47mm is too big for me. Is there a similar looking 44mm version (SS case with ceramic bezel)?

The full SS 243 is a bit too monotone and a ceramic bezel would help break up the monotony.


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Thanks. I've always liked the ceramic bezel on these SUBs but 47mm is too big for me. Is there a similar looking 44mm version (SS case with ceramic bezel)?

The full SS 243 is a bit too monotone and a ceramic bezel would help break up the monotony.


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So far, none. But there is the 42mm PAM684, which is smaller and has a gold case. No rep...yet, but soon. ;)
 

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Appreciate the review! Great stuff.

Just to clarify, I believe this is an updated ST2555 movement decoration, not the XF P9000 clone. Just look at the fake escapement wheel, rotor bearing decoration, and balance position @6.
 

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Appreciate the review! Great stuff.

Just to clarify, I believe this is an updated ST2555 movement decoration, not the XF P9000 clone. Just look at the fake escapement wheel, rotor bearing decoration, and balance position @6.

Oh cr@p. I guess I was looking at another rep photo when I was making the review text. I was too eager to post the review. I'll be more careful next time. Sorry about the confusion.
 

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Oh cr@p. I guess I was looking at another rep photo when I was making the review text. I was too eager to post the review. I'll be more careful next time. Sorry about the confusion.

Actually I don't think it's a mistake, Perfect Clones recently listed a new XF 389 with an ST2555. Kind of an odd choice of movement but maybe it's their "lite" version.
 

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Excellent review, excellent rep. I am actually amazed at the finish of the bezel, crown guard, and also the detailed rendition of the case geometry.
 

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Thanks mysterio, an excellent review for an excellent rep
Could someone confirm the improvement of the case shape ?
Looks really promising

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Actually I don't think it's a mistake, Perfect Clones recently listed a new XF 389 with an ST2555. Kind of an odd choice of movement but maybe it's their "lite" version.

It is most likely is a "lite" version because of the movement. The factory may still release a non-lite version using the P.9000 clone but so far no confirmation from XF. And it's the weekend so may become clearer in the days to follow.
 

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Thanks for another great review @mysterio
Damn, I miss my 389 so much that I might give this guy a try. Any updates on the P9000 clone version yet?
 

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Thanks for another great review @mysterio
Damn, I miss my 389 so much that I might give this guy a try. Any updates on the P9000 clone version yet?

Unfortunately there is no update available yet regarding the update to the P.9000 clone movement.
 

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Yes! @mysterio This is the one I fell in love with after trying gen, and have been waiting for a "super rep" version.

Also just saw this VSF version pop up on TS-Station but not up yet on Puretime or InTime, thoughts? https://www.ts-station.cn/mobile/goods.php?ProId=22105

How's this compare to the XF? Both versions from these factories are new to me compared to our prior choices, and would love to know if we have a "super rep" on our hands yet and who's top dog ;)

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