{*PCTeam*}[[ EVALUATION Thread ]]** PAM 104 N-series Noob factory<<POLL CLOSED>>

[ALE7575]

This thread is started to EVALUATE the rep watch:

PAM 104 N-series from Noob factory

Now, this replica is provisionally evaluated as a First Class replica.
Through this Evaluation we will decide either to keep this status or to be upgraded to Super rep.

Together to this replica we will evaluate in another thread the version of H maker

PLEASE POST THE REASONS OF YOUR DECISSION to include them in the PAM GUIDE

Your vote will be very much appreciated

PLEASE PEOPLE VOTING HERE PLEASE VOTE ALSO IN H MAKER REPLICA
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-evaluation-thread-125377?t=125377

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (104 N-series from Noob and H maker) (pending definitive evaluation as Super reps)
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 229 but with Black dial instead od Blue
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 220 but with Polished case and Leather strap
There is a version similar to PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial: the PAM 240 released in 2007.
The PAM 104 was released in 2002, after the PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001, and it breaks the trend of complex dials started by these models. In comparison with the PAM 086 and 091 the PAM 104 has a very simple and smart black dial.
We can consider the last replicas of PAM 104 N-series from H maker and Noob factory like First Class reps, even like Super reps depending on future evaluations.
This is a good candidate as a first Panerai replica
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.puretime.co/product/pam104-n-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam104-i-11-superlumed-best-edition-on-hand-stitched-supersoft-brown-leather-strap/
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12536-pa8610b-pam104-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-7750
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12348-pa7110b-pam104-n-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12343-pa7040b-pam104-n-black-h-factory-ss-ru-asian-7750
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12223-xfpn104-pam104-n-1-1-version-blk-lt-asian-7750-28800bph
http://www.timesshop.net/11624-xfpa2940-pam104-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750
http://www.timesshop.net/10845-pa4320-pam104-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2229&ti=
(*)http://www.marvellousreplica.com/products_detail.php?ProId=1607
http://www.marvellousreplica.com/products_detail.php?ProId=1260
(*)http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_2971
http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_855
(*)http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=9488
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&produ cts_id=90
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7159
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-104g-89958
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina% 20%20watches/Pam%20104G/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_14
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 30&id_categoria=35

Thanks
ALE

 

[ALE7575]

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ALE

 

[mvyzfr1]

I think the most helpful info will come from those on the forum that have these models. Hopefully they will chime in. Unfortunately, I am not one of them!

Is there a clear definition of what constitutes a Super Rep or is it mostly subjective? To me, I would expect it to be no flaws that are clearly visible without having a Gen and Rep side by side for comparison. For this reason, I think that an incorrect CG would make it a first class rep.

Here are some Gen pics (J-series) for reference. Not sure if the CG on the rep is correct or not now that I'm looking at better Gen pics.

 

[Fiddo]

I'm not a fan of the auto movement PAM reps. Even with the closed case back, the movement still bothers me. Probably why I voted for First Class. Also, that CG fit could be better.

 

[ALE7575]

I think the most helpful info will come from those on the forum that have these models. Hopefully they will chime in. Unfortunately, I am not one of them!

Is there a clear definition of what constitutes a Super Rep or is it mostly subjective? To me, I would expect it to be no flaws that are clearly visible without having a Gen and Rep side by side for comparison. For this reason, I think that an incorrect CG would make it a first class rep.

Here are some Gen pics (J-series) for reference. Not sure if the CG on the rep is correct or not now that I'm looking at better Gen pics.

Thanks mvyzfr for these fantastic and interesting gen pics

ALE

 

[midasmook]

Again same question as the H 104, is there a blue reflection coming from the AR or just the cyclops.

 

[midasmook]

Looking at the 104 on Torobravo's site he states colourless AR and the pictures look as if this is true. This was the only issue I had with this watch and comparing to gen pics I think the 104 should be upgraded to super rep.

 

[ALE7575]

Well, we have a though decision because they are very good replicas either H maker or Noob factory, but although they have flaws.
The solid caseback aids to be upgraded, but the cyclops adds a difficult thing.
Lastly the case and CG from Nood are better due to the already famous sharp inner edges.
But H maker are still making good sausage dials usually better than Noob and in this case it is not an exception. Lume is similar and CP is better in Noob
Therefore:
Case, CP and CG: winner Noob
Sausage dial: better H maker with more accurate fonts and thickness
Lume, Crystal and Cyclops: no winner and no perfect either Noob or H maker

Some months ago, these replicas had been considered as Super reps but seeing the current quality of the PAM replicas a little flaw in dial or in the CG or a no perfct Cyclops can be an issue to downgrade a PAM replica. I’m making myself harder with the quality of the reps.

I would like to consider the Noob factory better due to a better general construction but some differences in font and thickness of markers push me back.

Conclusion:

Noob: Keep as First Class rep almost bordering Super rep
H maker: Keep as First Class rep almost bordering Super rep

ALE

 

[Spboudart]

I'm not a fan of the auto movement PAM reps. Even with the closed case back, the movement still bothers me.

+1
And judging only on pics is something I don't allow myself to do anymore.

 

[Rwolf]

Super reps imho. All details are very good.

 

[marlin2284]

Needs some work to achieve super rep. status.

 

[Mr. Pap]

I dont like automatic pams... I really dont.

However its good rep, but not a super one.

 

[Klockis]

Like many others I'm not a big fan of auto Pams (except 029, 243) so I have not bought this one.
And I don't think it would be fair of me to judge just by pictures.
So I leave my vote blank this time and relying on members who actual have this watch to comment and vote.

 

[kaniel]

3 words: Blue Tint Cyclops.

Another 3 words: First Class Rep.

 

[midasmook]

So you have the rep 104 and there is a blue tint from the cyclops ?

 

[ALE7575]

Please we need more votes

Now we have 17 votes
PLEASE WE NEED MORE VOTES


THANKS

ALE

 

[mvyzfr1]

What about different color of hands and numbers in H-fac 104?

Pics of QC from Nov22, 2012 attached.

And i've noticed more pieces from Hfac with these differences.

P.s. the CG is nice

There is a separate thread for evaluation of the H-factory reps. I think this post and pictures should be moved to that thread in order to not confuse the issue.

 

[ALE7575]

There is a separate thread for evaluation of the H-factory reps. I think this post and pictures should be moved to that thread in order to not confuse the issue.

YOU ARE RIGHT
The post of Prancuzas has been moved to the H maker evaluation

Thanks

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Please we need more votes

Now we have 21 votes
PLEASE WE NEED MORE VOTES


THANKS

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Please we need more votes

Now we have 23 votes
PLEASE WE NEED MORE VOTES


THANKS

ALE