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{*PCTeam*} Dial Review of PAM 449 Replica - Release July 2014

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Dial Review of PAM 449 Replica - Release July 2014

This is a review of the PAM 449 rep S.L.C. DIAL written as a continuation of the nice Pictorial and good review by RWI’s member firesuite as follows:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=191076
I have used rep firesuite’s pics to make the comparisons.


DIAL LAYOUT
As we can see in below comparison Figure 1, there are no significant differences between layouts of both dials.

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Figure 1 - PAM 449 – DIAL LAYOUT – GEN- REP COMPARISON

I have checked layout accuracy, drawing lines in the pics by Photoshop, to assure similarity, but in order not to be boring, I think it is no necessary to show them because the accuracy is evident.
Rep inscriptions and markers (either sticks or dots) are well placed and overall layout is accurate.


SANDWICH CUTOUTS: STICK AND DOTS
All rep markers, either sticks or dots, are well defined and very sharp. Contours of the cutouts are very clean and nicely made, just like gen ones. It is possible that rep cutouts are a bit thicker, maybe due to different lighting conditions but anyway few noticeable See Figure 2.

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Figure 2 - PAM 449 – SANDWICH CUTOUTS – GEN- REP COMPARISON

The thickness of the upper layer of the rep sandwich is the same as gen and you cannot see differences on quality. Rep dial is an awesome build in this regard. See below Figure 3.

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Figure 3 - PAM 449 – THE AWESOME REP CUTOUTS


RADIOMIR PANERAI ENGRAVINGS ON DIAL
In the same way as PAM 372, this engraved inscription is an interesting feature of this watch.
Gen RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription is really nice, with awesome finish, completely uniform, sharp, crisp and very deep with a strong 3D effect. Yellowish paint is also applied completely uniform. As we can see in below Figures 4a-4b & 4c of these awesome Gen engravings.

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Figure 4a - PAM 449 – THE AWESOME GEN RADIOMIR-PANERAI ENGRAVINGS

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Figure 4b - PAM 449 – THE AWESOME GEN RADIOMIR-PANERAI ENGRAVINGS

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Figure 4c - PAM 449 – THE AWESOME GEN RADIOMIR-PANERAI ENGRAVINGS


As you can see in above Figures Gen engravings don’t need additional comments, pics talk by themselves

Rep RADIOMIR PANERAI engraved inscription is not at all bad, indeed it seems better than the best of PAM 372, but is not as sharp, crisp, deep and uniform as Gen engravings. You cannot doubt that gen inscriptions are engraved under any light condition an effect of 3D is strong and always present. Rep inscription engravings could disappear under some light conditions.
Gen engravings are “U” shaped and perfect, whereas rep engravings seem more “V” shaped and unequal, making that the inner part of the engravings is very uniform and really marked in gen, whereas in rep have some differences and is not so marked. Besides, rep paint application is not uniform like in gen, and some lacks of paint can appear in the inner part of the engravings. See “M” and other characters in below Figure 5, where can be seen some black points with missing paint.

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Figure 5 - PAM 449 – REP RADIOMIR-PANERAI ENGRAVINGS

Regarding fonts accuracy there are more differences. Rep fonts are a little bit wider but they are also smaller, as we can see in below Figures 6 & 7 with the green reference lines.

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Figure 6 - PAM 449 – FONTS ACCURACY OF ENGRAVINGS – GEN-REP COMPARISON

Fonts shape presents also some differences.
Very noticeable in “R” (shorter tail but longer inner upper part), see orange reference line in below Figure 7.
The same occurs with the inner part of “P” which is clearly longer in rep.
It is also noticeable in “A”, because horizontal bar of this character is placed very low in rep, leaving a much bigger inner triangle in the rep, which is indicated by a yellow arrow. With a blue arrow we are indicating the different “A” tip: sharp in gen and blunt in rep. See Figure 7.

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Figure 7 - PAM 449 – DETAILS OF FONTS ACCURACY OF ENGRAVINGS – GEN-REP COMPARISON

There are also differences in “E” “M” and even “O” but much less noticeable
Those font differences are few noticeable in practice, but they actually exist and can be used to tell the reps or for identification purposes.


COLOUR OF LUME, INSCRIPTIONS AND DIAL SURFACE

LUME and RADIOMIR PANERAI ENGRAVINGS COLOUR
Markers lume is ECRU like gen, whereas RADIOMIR PANERAI engraving is clearly yellowish like gen. Maybe the contrast is more obvious in rep where both colours are more evident. But this subject is difficult to say without a side by side comparison. Anyway overall very accurate colours very similar to the gen.

DIAL SURFACE COLOUR
Surface dial is black like gen, but the gen has a texture, see Figure 4a, which is less marked in rep. This is few noticeable without enlarged pics or under nuked eye.

L SWISS L INSCRIPTION @6
This is maybe the most noticeable flaw of this rep dial. It can be realized even without direct pic comparison
In Figure 1 of dials comparison, L SWISS L rep inscription is a bit distorted by the edge of the Plexy crystal. But the main problem is that rep inscription is white whereas gen inscription is not so light and remains much less evident in the overall view of the PAM 449 dial on Figure 1. Therefore, gen is always clearly less light, way more discreet and less obvious.


HANDS AND CANNON PINION
Hands shape is good enough, with less sharp edges (as usually) and a bit thicker lume (as usually). It is very difficult to talk about the blue colour, because depending on light conditions varies from light Blue to black. But following comments from owners of reps PAM 448 the colour is accurate.
CP has a flaw, because rep CP is smaller than gen. But in some light conditions, and following projectologist comments, the differences are not so noticeable and this flaw doesn't seem as serious as we thought. Indeed I have seen some rep CP pics that seemed like gen.


REHAUT
S.L.C. engraving in rehaut is nice, well placed and accurate, a bit less deep and crisp in rep, as we can see in several of above Figures.





CONCLUSIONS

Overall PAM 449 rep dial from July 2014 seems better than expected and we should be glad to see the quality of these last reps of PAM 448 and 449. Layout, colours are very accurate and mainly sandwich cutouts quality is awesome and very gen-like

I had given to PAM 449 an evaluation slightly smaller than PAM 448, but considering this last dial review and firesuite pics and review above mentioned, I should to consider this difference of evaluation. We will see bearing in mind the comments about this review and firesuite’s one.

Thanks for reading
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Awesome review as always. I have the Pam448 and boy what a beautiful rep. I am very happy with these new makers coming into the market with outstanding products that do not require a ton of mods :D

Thanks ALE
 

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This rep does look good!
The L SWISS L is indeed the only obvious flaw, but that's only once you know it. Other differences are so minor that it would be really hard to tell the rep without having the gen at his side (and possibly a loupe ;))
Awesome job ALE, as usual :)
 
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Stunning comparison ALE!

the main issues here from my point of view are the shape of the R and the L SWISS L other than that, this rep maker has made huge improvements.
 

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Great write up ALE!

looking side-by-side it doesn't appear my crown/stem gap issue is that bad, its pretty close, too close to be concerned with I think, CP and the L Swiss L inscription appear to be the biggest flaws, do we have a super rep here?
 
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I think, CP and the L Swiss L inscription appear to be the biggest flaws, do we have a super rep here?

No, the L SWISS L kills the potential for super rep status, followed closely, by differences in letter shape. This is not considering the other issues (caseback crystal, visable movement)
 

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No, the L SWISS L kills the potential for super rep status, followed closely, by differences in letter shape. This is not considering the other issues (caseback crystal, visable movement)

Yes I agree
And bear in mind CP differences

First Class rep of something between Medium and hig level, what we call Good level, just like PAM 448
Anyway both reps (PAM 448 and 449) should be in the wish list of all Paneristis

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Anyway bear in mind that we are nowadays more and more exigent about reps
These good current reps had got easily a Super rep status some years ago.
Maybe makers, being pushed by KW manufacture quality, are nowadays producing reps, which have, of course, inaccurate decorated movements, but have better finish and more gen-like appearance than old ones.
We cannot give them the Super rep status due to inaccuracies, but we can feel more happy wearing them

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Anyway bear in mind that we are nowadays more and more exigent about reps
These good current reps had got easily a Super rep status some years ago.
Maybe makers, being pushed by KW manufacture quality, are nowadays producing reps, which have, of course, inaccurate decorated movements, but have better finish and more gen-like appearance than old ones.
We cannot give them the Super rep status due to inaccuracies, but we can feel more happy wearing them

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Ale I could not agree more! The 448 will be my first Radiomir.
 

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I wonder if one of the dial maestros out there could tone down the brightness of the L SWISS L on the dial?

I want this watch badly....
 

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I got both the 532 and the 449 and the 449 blows the 532 away hands down the quality of the 449 is amazing the minor flaws are very livable it's been running strong 6 days and spot on accurate time at the end it's the one who wears it loved it and micro analysis is good for discussion but base off of net photos and not side by side is only so good
 

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I got both the 532 and the 449 and the 449 blows the 532 away hands down the quality of the 449 is amazing the minor flaws are very livable it's been running strong 6 days and spot on accurate time at the end it's the one who wears it loved it and micro analysis is good for discussion but base off of net photos and not side by side is only so good

Interesting and good comments. I think almost the same as you. Really useful
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I got both the 532 and the 449 and the 449 blows the 532 away hands down the quality of the 449 is amazing the minor flaws are very livable it's been running strong 6 days and spot on accurate time at the end it's the one who wears it loved it and micro analysis is good for discussion but base off of net photos and not side by side is only so good

Naturally what's acceptable and what's not is up to you :)
As a matter of fact I'm waiting for a 532 and will most likely buy a 448 or 449 in the near future. That said comparisons, even with pics and not holdin both gen and rep in your hands, are still useful: once you are informed about any minimal visible difference from gen you can decide if you can live with said flaws or not :)

We should always remember these are reps and keep in mind the flaws will be there regardless we dissect the pics or not :)
 

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Hey , how bout the lug width ? Is it 26/27 mm ? I saw on panerai source and it written 27mm for this model even the usual 47mm panerai use the 26 lug width . ? Can anyone tell me ?
 

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Radiomirs use 27 or 26 mm straps, up to you to decide which size you like the most, a bigger strap will cover more of the wire lugs :)
 

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Am I right to say that the 449 Dial is more accurate then the 425 since the pig is not nicely done?
 

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I don't think there's a pig engraved on the 449 dial :)
 

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I don't think there's a pig engraved on the 449 dial :)

Sorry, my reference was to the dial accuracy between the 449 vs 425... since the dial of the 449 is without the pig, then perhaps it would be a more accurate compared to the 425 which has the pig in it, don't you think?

I'm trying to decide between the two as there's $50 difference between these two reps :D
 

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Yes, the accuracy of engraved inscriptions on dial is a problem in PAM 449 and 452
The PIG on PAM 425 is jut an added problem for this rep, I agree with you

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