Panerai Luminor Pam 196 with Swiss ETA Valjoux 7753

[nidecker]

Hi everybody,

i´m new at this forum and wanted to ask you guys if anyone has got experience with a Daylight rep. with swiss movement.
I´ve seen an offer at WE (http://www.watcheden.com/panerai-luminor-pam--chronograph-with-swiss-eta-valjoux-movement--bpm-i-65611%7B0%7D1-p-1) for 478 and was wondering , if it´s possible to offer a rep. with swiss movement for such a low price...


Thanks in advance for your support !

Nidecker

 

[taiji]

You may want to read my review that covers almost all the rep version of daylight with ETA7753 at

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/short-review-for-pam196-daylight-55161?p=634226

You may want to check with watcheden again cos the daylight (PAM236 not PAM196) you are showing looks like the latest ultimate daylight with Asia 7753 but not Swiss ETA 7753.

A True swiss ETA 7753 command higher price for the movement alone.

Hope this helps

 

[nidecker]

Thanks taiji for your fast reply!

I wonder why a trusted store like watcheden is selling a Daylight with swiss ETA for under $ 500 while you state (correctly!) that they usually cost approx about $ 900 - $ 1k?!

Any thoughts about that?!

Cheers

Nidecker

 

[DikkePoppe]

You may want to read my review about almost of rep version of daylight with ETA7753 at

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/short-review-for-pam196-daylight-55161?p=634226

You may want to check with watcheden again cos the daylight (PAM236 not PAM196) you are showing looks like the latest ultimate daylight with Asia 7753 but Swiss ETA 7753.

A True swiss ETA 7753 command higher price for the movement alone.

Hope this helps

Is a "trusted dealer" false advertising and trying to rip buyers off buy not providing the correct movement which he states clearly on his site?

Can a MOD/ADMIN check if this price is possible, and if not, what are the consequences to his "trusted dealer" status?
I tend to trust in RWI and it's dealers. I would like to see this sorted out...

 

[nidecker]

taiji you´re right - it´s a PAM 236 not a 196!

If it´s a 236 with asian movement the compare price is $ 328 - from another trusted dealer (http://www.replicamake.com/product_info.php?cPath=78_108&products_id=2060)!

We live in a free market and everybody can make his price, but $ 150 difference for the same watch by promoting it with a swiss movement is .... well ... not correct.

I´m quite new to replicas and i´m very happy and greatfull that i found this forum!!!

Cheers

Nidecker

 

[DikkePoppe]

taiji you´re right - it´s a PAM 236 not a 196!

If it´s a 236 with asian movement the compare price is $ 328 - from another trusted dealer (http://www.replicamake.com/product_info.php?cPath=78_108&products_id=2060)!

We live in a free market and everybody can make his price, but $ 150 difference for the same watch by promoting it with a swiss movement is .... well ... not correct.

I´m quite new to replicas and i´m very happy and greatfull that i found this forum!!!

Cheers

Nidecker

The difference in price is not that much of a concern, watcheden can ask whatever he wants I suppose. But I'm really pissed of about the false advertising.

As a trusted dealer he should known that this price is impossible for a real valjoux.
I see 2 possibilities here:
-Watcheden had a lack of attention when posting this item on it's site and would never have sold you the item if you ordered it.
-Watcheden deliberately false-advertised.

They have 3 watches on their site like this:
http://www.watcheden.com/search-products--swiss eta valjoux 7753--common--1--0--1.html

I hope this get's cleared out instantly.

 

[trailboss99]

Hey! calm down you lot! None of you bar taiji have been here more than five minutes and you are condemnatory towards the dealer already. Just let me look into it please. Do you see any of the old hands all worked up? No, not at all. Guys, if you buy base model 775Xs by the 1000 unit lot they are about 250 bucks so it may well be Swiss. Just give me a chance to find out before getting the tar and feathers out please.



Col.

 

[automatics]

i think the general wisdom.
is that the cartels don't provide real swiss eta's. no matter what is advertised.
and i read somewhere, that on the off chance that they do.
it's likely a recon/used eta.

yes, some smaller dealers/modders.
might custom provide swiss etas that they obtain.

but the cartel dealers doing the volume game just provide what comes out of the Chinese factories, with some feedback to update/rectify accuracy perhaps.

so in a sense, an eyebrow should be raised whenever swiss movements are supposedly supplied. though if they're all the same price then no harm done.

might be wrong.
others feel free to chime in

 

[slimslim]

i dont have any personal experience because i buy cheap 21j non chrono movements. but after reading a bunch here i am also suspect when a dealer says its a swiss movement. in the future when i buy better watches (nothing wrong with the 21j's i love them) i will never buy a "swiss" movement. just too much trouble. an asian clone will be fine. i don't have any interest in the 77xx series because-

1. i don't ever use the stop watch
2. i dont want to pay 250+ in service right out of the box
3. i really like divers watches (non chrono )
4. from what i have read parts for some of the newer 7753 / exotic (big date) 77xx movements can be harder to find.

so for me its not worth it. i have read many happy reports from 77xx owners here so maybe its not so bad after all. when you think about it; 300usd for a watch and 250usd for service really is not that much for a really good copy(my opinion) of a 7000usd watch.

 

[DikkePoppe]

Hey! calm down you lot! None of you bar taiji have been here more than five minutes and you are condemnatory towards the dealer already. Just let me look into it please. Do you see any of the old hands all worked up? No, not at all. Guys, if you buy base model 775Xs by the 1000 unit lot they are about 250 bucks so it may well be Swiss. Just give me a chance to find out before getting the tar and feathers out please.



Col.

I can only speak for myself in this matter and not for "the lot of us"

I an not condemning anyone, I made an accusation, and I leave it up to the MODs and ADMINs to be the judge in this.

You are right, I am not a long-term member of this community, but where is the trustworth of this community based upon when one can not raise conspicuousness on one of the dealers promoted by this forum, either new or old.

In this sticky by the staff of RWI it is even stated that the more honest dealers came forward with the unlikeness of just even a swiss movement being used in a replica, not to say a Valjoux
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/attention-all-swiss-eta-buyers-32873

It is true, I know little of replicas compared to longtime enthusiasts, but I am a longtime enthusiast of watches in general. And one can easily find prices for a valjoux 7753. I have yet to find it at $250, but then again i can be looking in the wrong place.

My point is that it is rather unlikely that it contains a real QC passed Valjoux 7753, but let the accused defend himself and come out of this even more trustworthy than before.
I'm sure his batch of this model will be sold out very quickly upon justification of the movement.

Let me be the first to state that I'm buying this watch upon proof that it contains a genuine swiss QC passed valjoux 7753 as movement.

Kind regards,
DikkePoppe

 

[nidecker]

Sorry to everybody - i´m just here for a day and causing a lot of confusion.

I´m located in Europe and recieved a feedback from Watcheden in the morning - i just copy and paste:






Re: Enquiry 2010-12-21 22:25:10 From watcheden.com By Arnd

Dear Arnd

Thanks for your interest in our products

Yes, the movement of this watch is Swiss ETA Valjoux 7753 Automatic Movement .

If you have any questions ,pls feel free to contact us
Looking forward to doing business with you

Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas.​

Regards
Emily


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2010/12/21 Arnd <[email protected]>

Panerai Luminor Pam 196 Chronograph With Swiss ETA Valjoux 7753 Movement-28800 bpm

Hi all,

is it 100% sure that the watch got a Swiss ETA Valjoux 7753 Movement?!

Cheers!

Arnd
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Regards,
Emily
Important note : One of the Merchant names might show on your credit card statment:

WWW.MIX2PAY.COM
WWW.TRACKINGPAY.COM
WWW.IKNOWPAY.COM
WWW.PAYREASON.COM
WWW.INFPAY.NET
WWW.BESTECIG.COM


Now i´m totally confused!:thinking:

Is there a chance that somebody from watcheden can clarify this issue?!

I´m not afraid about a Valjoux 7753 Movement and would buy that watch immediately!


Cheers and Merry Christmas !


Nidecker

 

[d4m.test]

Dear all,

Please note that most watches in our site are with high quality cloned Swiss movements, including this one. Only a few watches with the prices ranging from $600-$800 come with the renewal genuine Swiss movements. Any watch enthusiast may know it's impossible to obtain a genuine Swiss ETA movement without about $1000.

Watcheden is a comprehensive site selling replica products. The reason why the "replica" word is not included in the description is because we thought you all should know, not a deliberate cheating or misguidance. Actually, the truth can also be easily judged by the listed price. Sorry for the misunderstanding caused! It's our mistake. Now, it may be time to ask the editor to sort them out though it's a hard work.

Watcheden does have many thing that need to be improved, including our site. Your supervision and suggestions are highly appreciated. And thank you for all your support here.

If you have any doubt about our products, feel free to consult me, or contact our customer center, [email protected]

Regards,

WE

 

[nidecker]

Dear WE,

thanks a lot for clarification!

As I mentioned in the beginning, i doubted that for this price a real swiss movement could be implemented. So i wasn´t cheated by you at all - just wanted a clarification. Everything is fine for me.

But I still need an explanation for the price level...

As I know by now, a Panerai Daylight with Asian 7753 costs about $328 - $368 (depends on the dealer), an origin Swiss 7753 costs about $900 - $1k.

The Panerai we are talking about has now a "Swiss clone movement" - so a third movement category between theses mentioned before - that justifies a much higher price than the Asian?!


Thanks a lot in advance for your effort!

Nidecker

 

[DikkePoppe]

I'm glad this got sorted out, and I hope nobody lost money on buying what he/she thought to be "the real thing".

 

[trailboss99]

If anyone bought this thinking it was a gen Swiss MVT and now would like to either cancel the order (if still to be shipped) or return the watch for a refund I will ensure that this will happen. And by refund I mean total, return postage included. Please contact me if this is the case on [email protected]


Col.

 

[d4m.test]

Dear WE,

thanks a lot for clarification!

As I mentioned in the beginning, i doubted that for this price a real swiss movement could be implemented. So i wasn´t cheated by you at all - just wanted a clarification. Everything is fine for me.

But I still need an explanation for the price level...

As I know by now, a Panerai Daylight with Asian 7753 costs about $328 - $368 (depends on the dealer), an origin Swiss 7753 costs about $900 - $1k.

The Panerai we are talking about has now a "Swiss clone movement" - so a third movement category between theses mentioned before - that justifies a much higher price than the Asian?!


Thanks a lot in advance for your effort!

Nidecker

"Swiss clone movement" is the exact copy of the Swiss one. It differs a little from the Asian model in structure and rotating speed, a little bit expensive. The watches in our site with "Swiss clone movements" are usually above $250. It depends on the watch quality and craftsmanship.

Regards,

WE

 

[nidecker]

Dear WE,

thanks a lot for your explanation.

When you provide an exact copy of the swiss, does it have the Date Adjustment via 10.00 recess pusher?!

This would be great and you´ll recieve my order NOW...

Merry X-Mas!

Nidecker

 

[nidecker]

Just FYI,

recieved following mail from WE customer service:





Dear Arnd

Thank you very much for your email .

Yes, the watch 65611 has the Date Adjustment via 10.00 recess pusher

If you have any questions ,pls feel free to contact us

Regards
Emily



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On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Arnd wrote:

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

Does the movement has the Date Adjustment via 10.00 recess pusher?

kind regards

Arnd


Now my question is answered!

Think i´ll go for it...

Cheers

Nidecker



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[QinetiQ]

Just FYI,

recieved following mail from WE customer service:





Dear Arnd

Thank you very much for your email .

Yes, the watch 65611 has the Date Adjustment via 10.00 recess pusher

If you have any questions ,pls feel free to contact us

Regards
Emily



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On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Arnd wrote:

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

Does the movement has the Date Adjustment via 10.00 recess pusher?

kind regards

Arnd


Now my question is answered!

Think i´ll go for it...

Cheers

Nidecker



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