Panerai GMT Setting

[BoulderJ]

I just bought a PAM088 and have been trying to set the GMT hand correctly. I thought I was familiar with the process from my Rolex GMT Master II rep, but the PAM doesn't seem to set GMT in the same way. As you can see in the pictures below, when the GMT hand is set to exactly 2200, the minute hand is correctly at 12. However, when I move the GMT hand to exactly 2300, the minute hand only advances 30 minutes to 6 instead of advancing 60 minutes to 12. There seems to be no way to set minutes to 12 when the GMT is set at an exact (odd) hour. I hope I've explained
this clearly.



Can anyone explain this?
Thanks

 

[JayBee0815]

I dont know if the 088 has the same mechanism as the the 089. But at the 089 you set the GMT-Hand independent by turning the crown in the "date setting position". Clockwise is setting the date, Anti-Clockwise is setting the GMT.

 

[donkacper]

I think this one has the incorrect GMT movement? Should be a 24 h GMT hand and instead it's 12 H? I had this model some time ago but don't remember.
I have the same on my 531.

 

[BoulderJ]

I dont know if the 088 has the same mechanism as the the 089. But at the 089 you set the GMT-Hand independent by turning the crown in the "date setting position". Clockwise is setting the date, Anti-Clockwise is setting the GMT.

By "date setting position" do you mean the hour jump (position 2) or do some movements have direct date setting without jumping hours to get to the right date?

 

[donkacper]

By "date setting position" do you mean the hour jump (position 2) or do some movements have direct date setting without jumping hours to get to the right date?

No, they just have the jumping hour hand. But, as said earlier this model most likely has the incorrect gmt movement.

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[KOT1917]

This is PAM088 VSF which has not 7750 with GMT 24 hours function like GEN OP.VIII (7750-P2), and a P.9001 clone with a GMT12 hours function, like on the PAM441 or PAM719, for example.
It has an independent hour hand and the GMT hand rotates in 12 hours instead of 24.
As donkacper pointed out, the situation is similar to the PAM531, although it should have a P.9003, and also have an independent hour hand, but a 24 hour circle, not 12 hours (PAM531 was the only PANERAI model with this GMT option).

 

[BoulderJ]

Is there any way to set the GMT hand correctly on this watch?

 

[KOT1917]

Yes, of course, everything is set correctly in your photos.
It's just that the dial is marked for 24 hours, while the GMT hand actually works for 12 hours.

On the first photo 04.00 home time = 11.00 hand GMT, and in the second 04.30 = 11.30 hand GMT. It's just that if the VSF movement was correct, then 24 hours would fit on the circle, as on the scale, and in fact 1 hour on the scale = 30 minutes of hand work.

In fact, in your photos, the hands work correctly for P.9001, but this does not work for PAM088 24 hour markings.

That is, it is marked as 22.00, 23.00 (no number), 24.00 but the hand works like 11.00, 11.30, 12.00 because its circle is smaller.

I hope I have explained it in every way. If you can't find it, watch the video on how it works on PAM320, PAM438 on YouTube, and maybe it will help.

 

[BoulderJ]

In the second picture, the GMT hand is at 2300. It should be at 2330 to match the minute hand. That is what I meant by not being able to set the GMT hand accurately.

 

[KOT1917]

However, I hope you understand: the GMT hand will not correspond to the scale on the dial, but will correspond in the correct proportion to the home time on the hour and minute hands.
It just works not for 24 but for 12 hours.

 

[donkacper]

You have to use the GMT hand like the hour hand. Meaning it shows the time with the normal 12 h markers on the dial. Not on the 24 h scale.
2 nd picture shows correct, GMT hand is halfway between 11 and 12 and minute hand is on 30. Meaning 11:30 or 23:30.

No other way to use it on this model as the movement is incorrect. VSF did a poor job on this one.

 

[Naths63]

You have to use the GMT hand like the hour hand. Meaning it shows the time with the normal 12 h markers on the dial. Not on the 24 h scale.
2 nd picture shows correct, GMT hand is halfway between 11 and 12 and minute hand is on 30. Meaning 11:30 or 23:30.

No other way to use it on this model as the movement is incorrect. VSF did a poor job on this one.

Yep...12hr GMT not 24 and the brushed CG ..glaring flaws... obviously the CG can be polished, and in reality how many people do you meet that know the CG should be polished...nice looking watch though ..

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[BoulderJ]

You have to use the GMT hand like the hour hand. Meaning it shows the time with the normal 12 h markers on the dial. Not on the 24 h scale.
2 nd picture shows correct, GMT hand is halfway between 11 and 12 and minute hand is on 30. Meaning 11:30 or 23:30.

No other way to use it on this model as the movement is incorrect. VSF did a poor job on this one.

OK, now I've got it! Thanks.