Panerai dress watches, yay or nay?

[Justin123]

Don't get me wrong, I know that Panerai need to branch out into new territory to expand their customer base, and it is nice they are keeping the signature case shape, but when I look at this beautiful watch, I feel like stabbing myself repeatedly in the face. Thoughts?

 

[Plaasbaas]

That looks like a 38mm female model 1301.

 

[PAM_BOY]

What the hell is that! A fun children's watch?
Hopefully Panerai stops this shit in time before they sink themselves!

 

[Justin123]

i have a theory that Panerai have fallen into the uncanny valley, with their dress watch designs. This is that concept whereby someone tries to make a human-like robot, and its close but not close enough, and it just ends up looking uncanny, and creeps people out.

so it is with these dress watch attempts... doesn't quite look like a dress watch... doesn't quite look like a paneria... it just looks creepy.

now imagine it with just a circular case and no crown fastner... its actually a beautiful watch.

i think if Panerai want to get into dress watches they should add a different design altogether to their catalogue. They have Luminor, they have radiomir, why not a third line? something distinct but suitable for a dress watch... then they can stop rolling out these Frankenstein monsters and besmirching models like luminor...

 

[kilowattore]

Radiomir case with its cushion shape design would be perfectly fine for a dress watch imho, they should just make it thinner and eventually smaller than 45mm. Besides a dress watch should be on leather not steel bracelet unless you want it to look like a Breil.

 

[Justin123]

Radiomir case with its cushion shape design would be perfectly fine for a dress watch imho, they should just make it thinner and eventually smaller than 45mm. Besides a dress watch should be on leather not steel bracelet unless you want it to look like a Breil.

Yes, losing that big crown latch would help. It's one of those things I suppose. This watch doesn't know what it wants to be.

 

[Woundup]

IMO the 45mm 572 with the 1940's case is the perfect Panerai dress watch. Wire lug Rad's are a close second.

 

[Justin123]

Radiomir case with its cushion shape design would be perfectly fine for a dress watch imho, they should just make it thinner and eventually smaller than 45mm. Besides a dress watch should be on leather not steel bracelet unless you want it to look like a Breil.

Yes, losing that big crown latch would help. It's one of those things I suppose. This watch doesn't know what it wants to be.

 

[Justin123]

I agree many models are already good dress watches.

 

[Plaasbaas]

It is all a question of taste imho, maybe acceptable if it were a 44mm on leather strap for men. But this is aiming at the female market segment, not the typical buyers of Panerai. So economically it could make sense for them after all.

I'd let this one pass as a dress watch:

 

[PAM_BOY]

One of my dress watch PAMs
Ok, it also depends a bit on what kind of event it is...

 

[KOT1917]

Radiomir case with its cushion shape design would be perfectly fine for a dress watch imho, they should just make it thinner and eventually smaller than 45mm. Besides a dress watch should be on leather not steel bracelet unless you want it to look like a Breil.

I fully support, and believe that 42mm radio worlds should be not only in the 1940 corps. Many examples of early 42 mm radio worlds, especially in precious metals, look not only exotic, but also extremely elegant and appropriate in any situation, and examples of such ref. abundant, starting with PAM080 or PAM185, ending more modern, like PAM336.

As for the topic of the thread...
I did not communicate with the witnesses of the presentation of this model, and its positioning, but I see it as female (despite the presence of MOP moon phase dials, which are 100% female).

I am more aware of fan trends than anyone, but I definitely will not criticize the design of women's watches. Yes, PANERAI doesn't have many form concepts (Even Mare nostrum is almost never implemented in practice), but I don't see any reason to speak badly about watches that I won't buy, at least because they are clearly not made for me.

You can talk for a long time about the loss of style and ideas, but this, post it, did not happen yesterday, and not even with the new CEO (Although, in his reign, this escalated). This is a long process that we have been observing for many years, and despite the diversity models that are not entirely clear to the average consumer of the brand, everything that was released by panerai in 1998-2005 is still with us, and is available on the secondary market. Also, the period 2005 - 2016), which even then collected hatred from fans, has a lot of models that are popular and appreciated today.

Bottom line, no, I don't think this is a costume model, yes, there are many costume panerai, and I'm sure there should be more of them in the future (although in fact there are already enough). No, I am not ready to criticize women's watches because they do not suit my style, and even more so I am not ready to criticize a brand when I myself am not ready to understand it.

At the end I will add interesting ideas in my opinion. As I understand,PAM01179, PAM01180 and PAM01301 came out with a solid caseback, however, on the first promo photos, the caseabck was transparent:

Movement is officially called P.900MP (From the phase of the moon), but is marked in these photos as P.900. As far as I could hear, this is a very understandable and simple movt., and now I'm wondering how it was supplemented with the phase of the moon (after all, this is not day / night at 3 o'clock, which is not difficult to do).
It is not interesting to know if there are analogues of movement with this base and such complexity in other brands? Or maybe it's not so difficult to add this feature? Just wondering how the basic movement was rewarded with a remarkable function and put in a precious metal case. This is typical, but just wondering how it is implemented specifically in this case.


And finally, for everyone who is convinced that in the good old days, PANERAI were a niche male instrument brand, and now they make horror, and in general "it used to be better" - according to the classics of such cases, I wish you to enjoy PAM102, straight from 2005 (Whereas its counterpart PAM066 WG, has been periodically produced since the C series, the legendary year 2000):

 

[PAM_BOY]

I've heard that Panerai makes these tiny watches also because they want to go more into the Asian market... for some reason there seems to be a lot of people there who like tiny watches.

 

[Justin123]

I fully support, and believe that 42mm radio worlds should be not only in the 1940 corps. Many examples of early 42 mm radio worlds, especially in precious metals, look not only exotic, but also extremely elegant and appropriate in any situation, and examples of such ref. abundant, starting with PAM080 or PAM185, ending more modern, like PAM336.

As for the topic of the thread...
I did not communicate with the witnesses of the presentation of this model, and its positioning, but I see it as female (despite the presence of MOP moon phase dials, which are 100% female).

I am more aware of fan trends than anyone, but I definitely will not criticize the design of women's watches. Yes, PANERAI doesn't have many form concepts (Even Mare nostrum is almost never implemented in practice), but I don't see any reason to speak badly about watches that I won't buy, at least because they are clearly not made for me.

You can talk for a long time about the loss of style and ideas, but this, post it, did not happen yesterday, and not even with the new CEO (Although, in his reign, this escalated). This is a long process that we have been observing for many years, and despite the diversity models that are not entirely clear to the average consumer of the brand, everything that was released by panerai in 1998-2005 is still with us, and is available on the secondary market. Also, the period 2005 - 2016), which even then collected hatred from fans, has a lot of models that are popular and appreciated today.

Bottom line, no, I don't think this is a costume model, yes, there are many costume panerai, and I'm sure there should be more of them in the future (although in fact there are already enough). No, I am not ready to criticize women's watches because they do not suit my style, and even more so I am not ready to criticize a brand when I myself am not ready to understand it.

At the end I will add interesting ideas in my opinion. As I understand,PAM01179, PAM01180 and PAM01301 came out with a solid caseback, however, on the first promo photos, the caseabck was transparent:

Movement is officially called P.900MP (From the phase of the moon), but is marked in these photos as P.900. As far as I could hear, this is a very understandable and simple movt., and now I'm wondering how it was supplemented with the phase of the moon (after all, this is not day / night at 3 o'clock, which is not difficult to do).
It is not interesting to know if there are analogues of movement with this base and such complexity in other brands? Or maybe it's not so difficult to add this feature? Just wondering how the basic movement was rewarded with a remarkable function and put in a precious metal case. This is typical, but just wondering how it is implemented specifically in this case.


And finally, for everyone who is convinced that in the good old days, PANERAI were a niche male instrument brand, and now they make horror, and in general "it used to be better" - according to the classics of such cases, I wish you to enjoy PAM102, straight from 2005 (Whereas its counterpart PAM066 WG, has been periodically produced since the C series, the legendary year 2000):

Well I appreciate the thought put into this. I didn't follow all of it... it is probably a translation issue.

I agree with those who say even regular Panerai L or R can be worn as dress watches. Yes, and I agree its ok for Panerai to reach into different markets.

I just wondered (in my own over exaggerated way) if mashing up the cushion case/latch type watch with a traditional dress dial was the way to go. Whether on a women's or man's watch, for me it misses the mark a little. But it is only an opinion. Style is personal.

I wonder if anyone has data on how these more dressy intended designs are selling?