Panerai dealer watch comparison

[stoptime]

I just received my noob factory Pam 111n and I am enamored by it. It is what everybody stated...awesome.

I had an older Pam 104 awhile back and it has since been sold. I wanted to compare it to another pam so I moseyed on long to the Panerai store in BH for a looksey.

I wore the noob 111 and pretended to be interested in a base model for a quick comparison. I wore the gen side by side.

I only compared the front of the watch and here are somethings I noticed without a loupe present.

1. The bearing pin on the lever for the gen is a lot more noticeable on the gen lever than the noob.
2. The gen dial appeared smoother.
3. The cut outs on the numerals and the hash markers appeared smoother and more rounder edged than the noob.

Otherwise, it was a very hard tell. The weight was no different at all. The casing was right on as well.

Just some observations.

Take care.

 

[investinwaffles]

ruroh....

opcorn:


EDIT:
But you are paying 10-20x the cost buying a GEN so you have to expect some level of refinement. Likewise on the rep, you have to expect some level of roughness.

The newest PAM super-reps are really damn good and look spot on unless they are side-by side with a genuine article.

 

[Dan_lie]

opcorn:

 

[voilodion]

Stupid move

I just received my noob factory Pam 111n and I am enamored by it. It is what everybody stated...awesome.

I had an older Pam 104 awhile back and it has since been sold. I wanted to compare it to another pam so I moseyed on long to the Panerai store in BH for a looksey.

I wore the noob 111 and pretended to be interested in a base model for a quick comparison. I wore the gen side by side.

I only compared the front of the watch and here are somethings I noticed without a loupe present.

1. The bearing pin on the lever for the gen is a lot more noticeable on the gen lever than the noob.
2. The gen dial appeared smoother.
3. The cut outs on the numerals and the hash markers appeared smoother and more rounder edged than the noob.

Otherwise, it was a very hard tell. The weight was no different at all. The casing was right on as well.

Just some observations.

Take care.

I assume you enjoy this hobby,a good way to put a stop to our fun is taking a rep (however good ) into an a.d. it is a very rude thing to do,& draws heat where we do not want it.
BTW be assured that if you saw the tells the A.D. would as well.A bad idea!

 

[stoptime]

I assume you enjoy this hobby,a good way to put a stop to our fun is taking a rep (however good ) into an a.d. it is a very rude thing to do,& draws heat where we do not want it.
BTW be assured that if you saw the tells the A.D. would as well.A bad idea!

If you have ever been to an AD, you too would realize a watch enthusiast knows much more than an AD sales assistant.

Why is it rude? We are all "pretending" to have the real thing! Having a rep in the presence of a genuine collector is rude as well I guess? Just the mere presence of the real deal would qualify?

The only thing rude is your reply.

As I have only been collecting gen watches, the rep game is new. If I "violated" some unwritten rep code you should utilize a more informative tone instead of being condescending.

 

[tommy_boy]

If you have ever been to an AD, you too would realize a watch enthusiast knows much more than an AD sales assistant.

Why is it rude? We are all "pretending" to have the real thing! Having a rep in the presence of a genuine collector is rude as well I guess? Just the mere presence of the real deal would qualify?

The only thing rude is your reply.

As I have only been collecting gen watches, the rep game is new. If I "violated" some unwritten rep code you should utilize a more informative tone instead of being condescending.

I don't see rudeness as much as straighforward delivery. No rules, just civility. It is, in my opinion, rude to flaunt a counterfeit watch in an AD. Same to take an LV rep bag into an LV boutique.

 

[stoptime]

I don't see rudeness as much as straighforward delivery. No rules, just civility. It is, in my opinion, rude to flaunt a counterfeit watch in an AD. Same to take an LV rep bag into an LV boutique.

Did you read the title of his post? That was not rude? It certainly wasn't civil.

 

[levelmanroger]

It's an un-written code. Mainly we don't want to clue the ADs in on how good reps are getting, because they will then assume everyone who buys a rep would have bought a gen were the rep not available, which means huge loss of revenues to the AD, which will in turn cause them to scream and moan to the gen manufacturer to do something about all these reps, which ultimately puts more pressure on our dealers and, hence, us.
Of course the logic is flawed, but I assure you the ADs know much more about the watches they sell than they do the logic of their potential customer base.
If they think reps are cheap and crappy and very easily spotted, they won't worry much about it. But if they see first-hand how close to gen they are then things start to happen.
And believe that these gen high-end watch companies have the money, and hence the power, to make a lot of trouble for dealers and forums if they finally decide enough is enough.


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[stoptime]

It's an un-written code. Mainly we don't want to clue the ADs in on how good reps are getting, because they will then assume everyone who buys a rep would have bought a gen were the rep not available, which means huge loss of revenues to the AD, which will in turn cause them to scream and moan to the gen manufacturer to do something about all these reps, which ultimately puts more pressure on our dealers and, hence, us.
Of course the logic is flawed, but I assure you the ADs know much more about the watches they sell than they do the logic of their potential customer base.
If they think reps are cheap and crappy and very easily spotted, they won't worry much about it. But if they see first-hand how close to gen they are then things start to happen.
And believe that these gen high-end watch companies have the money, and hence the power, to make a lot of trouble for dealers and forums if they finally decide enough is enough.


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Thank you for your polite post and explanation. A lesson was learned today.

 

[FunPolice]

This forum is funny...good reps nowdays are so close to gen that unless you hand the watch over to the AD staff and tell them its a rep, they would never know. If they had any doubts, you can bet your life that they wouldn't even mention anything for fear of being wrong.

Imagine the trouble the sales rep would be in if the watch turned out to be real and the potential customer (obviously insulted to be accused of wearing a counterfeit watch) not only took his stack of cash elsewhere but pointed out to the store manager that his employee lost him a $9000 sale after accusing him of wearing a fake.

Trust me, that's a can of worms a sales rep DOES NOT want to get near of, let alone open.

 

[stoptime]

This forum is funny...good reps nowdays are so close to gen that unless you hand the watch over to the AD staff and tell them its a rep, they would never know. If they had any doubts, you can bet your life that they wouldn't even mention anything for fear of being wrong.

Imagine the trouble the sales rep would be in if the watch turned out to be real and the potential customer (obviously insulted to be accused of wearing a counterfeit watch) not only took his stack of cash elsewhere but pointed out to the store manager that his employee lost him a $9000 sale after accusing him of wearing a fake.

Trust me, that's a can of worms a sales rep DOES NOT want to get near of, let alone open.

I concur. That was the reason I felt comfortable wearing it in. Apparently, I broke a "rule of conduct" I was now made aware.

It is not like Panerai or other watch companies are not aware of reps. It is ridiculous to think they don't know about the rep forums like this one or websites like puretime.

 

[voilodion]

Thank you for your polite post and explanation. A lesson was learned today.

Glad you learned, common sense if you think about it & yes consensus seems to be" stupid move".
I was getting straight to the point ,if you feel offended you should get out more often,but not to your A.D.
Enjoy your new watch ,they are a tremendous bargain.

 

[stoptime]

Glad you learned, common sense if you think about it & yes consensus seems to be" stupid move".
I was getting straight to the point ,if you feel offended you should get out more often,but not to your A.D.
Enjoy your new watch ,they are a tremendous bargain.

Let me get straight to the point. I was offended. I want an apology.

 

[tommy_boy]

Did you read the title of his post?

Um, that's a condescending remark, friend.

 

[voilodion]

Let me get straight to the point. I was offended. I want an apology.

Tough! grow up ? All the best.

 

[Q5?]

Stoptime, your broke a rule you agreed to follow when you joined this forum. We all agree to never wear a rep in an AD.'s shop.

Eat some crow and don't demand being told politely. You are lucky you are not banned.

 

[scott335d]

This forum is funny...good reps nowdays are so close to gen that unless you hand the watch over to the AD staff and tell them its a rep, they would never know. If they had any doubts, you can bet your life that they wouldn't even mention anything for fear of being wrong.

Imagine the trouble the sales rep would be in if the watch turned out to be real and the potential customer (obviously insulted to be accused of wearing a counterfeit watch) not only took his stack of cash elsewhere but pointed out to the store manager that his employee lost him a $9000 sale after accusing him of wearing a fake.

Trust me, that's a can of worms a sales rep DOES NOT want to get near of, let alone open.

+1 this is how I see it exactly. Not agreeing with wearing a rep to an AD and trying to pass it off as gen, but I agree that the above is most likely the reality at an AD.

 

[tommy_boy]

In ADs you will meet clueless sales folks and knowledgable ones. That is not the point. How do you know when you walk in whether they are the former or the latter?

This is not about the quality of reps. It's about reps. They are counterfiet copies of the watches that the ADs are under contract to promote, with a manufacturer who has millions of dollars invested in their brand.

You walk in to their store and display a counterfeit of their brand, and this is somehow OK if the sales person cannot identify that you are wearing a counterfeit watch?

Sorry, but that position is just morally wrong, in my humble opinion.

It's easy to rationalize reps if you don't work for a watch manufacturer or have your income at risk because you work as a dealer. Think about it, please.

Thank you.

 

[mrsimple123]

+1 this is how I see it exactly. Not agreeing with wearing a rep to an AD and trying to pass it off as gen, but I agree that the above is most likely the reality at an AD.

+2 thats a reality from experience

 

[levelmanroger]

I think that I should be offered an apology for the fact that this thread extended even to 2 pages and that I had to read it.
Lesson(s) learned. Issue closed. Move on.




After you all apologize to me, that is.