PAN104 thoughts?

[Clark Kent]

I just found this:

http://puretime.co/product/pam104-n-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/

I think this should be a pretty pretty good rep, at least it looks like.

Can this model be recommended? I like the style of this watch but only with rubber band and not the leather one.

Has anybody bought this model from puretime and can tell me something about it? Or is there an even better version somewhere out there?

 

[cndwatchguy]

Ya I think that is the most recent version with the better AR on the cyclops with less blue in it.
I had the previous version and liked it. Per the link you can get it on rubber with the drop down menu on the page.

If you've never owned a 7750 movement before I suggest read up. They have issues but since this one only has a date and no chronos, there shouldn't be any issues.

I never had any with mine.

If you like the style, go for it.

 

[MartyNC]

I have owned a DSN 104 for at least four years, and she is still going strong. Now, with Davidsen updating his datewheel, you have a pretty rock solid 104 on your hands. Purchase without reservation.

 

[Clark Kent]

Thanx for the info!

I read that the PAN029 should be the best rep out there but I like it plain and simple without any GMT or numbers on the bezel. Moreover there is no choice between leather or rubber - and I do not like leather at all...

Should the watch be serviced after purchase? I read much about dirt, finger prints and too little oil. Any other recommendations?

Is a watch with a 2836 movement better? I thought 7750 is "high end" for reps?

 

[45acp]

The 104 from either the H or N factory is a great watch. The 7750 movement is fine, the 104 doesn't come with a 2836. You can get it serviced if you want, but I would only do this if you really like it and are sure you want to keep it.

 

[Clark Kent]

I know that the 104 doesn't come with a 2836. I just wanna know if a 2836 is better or more reliable than then 7750? If the quality of the rep is really that high I will certainly keep it - I always wanted a big watch with straight and plain design...

 

[ALE7575]

I think that an A7750 used like a GMT is almost as reliable as an A2836, Therefore no worries about that.
Concerning last PAM 104 N-series from Noob and H maker they are pending to be considered as Super rep in the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE.
See above info extracted from above mentoned GUIDE:.

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (104 N-series from Noob and H maker) (pending definitive evaluation as Super reps)
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 229 but with Black dial instead od Blue
The PAM 104 is the same as PAM 220 but with Polished case and Leather strap
There is a version similar to PAM 104 in brushed Titanium and Brown dial: the PAM 240 released in 2007.
The PAM 104 was released in 2002, after the PAM 086 and 091 released in 2001, and it breaks the trend of complex dials started by these models. In comparison with the PAM 086 and 091 the PAM 104 has a very simple and smart black dial.
We can consider the last replicas of PAM 104 N-series from H maker and Noob factory like First Class reps, even like Super reps depending on future evaluations.
This is a good candidate as a first Panerai replica
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.puretime.co/product/pam104-n-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam104-i-11-superlumed-best-edition-on-hand-stitched-supersoft-brown-leather-strap/
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12348-pa7110b-pam104-n-h-factory-black-ss-lt-asian-7750
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12343-pa7040b-pam104-n-black-h-factory-ss-ru-asian-7750
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12223-xfpn104-pam104-n-1-1-version-blk-lt-asian-7750-28800bph
http://www.timesshop.net/11624-xfpa2940-pam104-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-lt-asian-7750
http://www.timesshop.net/10845-pa4320-pam104-luminor-marina-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750-28800bph
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2229&ti=
http://www.marvellousreplica.com/products_detail.php?ProId=1260
(*)http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_2971
http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_855
(*)http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&product s_id=9488
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&produ cts_id=90
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7159
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-104g-89958
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina% 20%20watches/Pam%20104G/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_14
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7 30&id_categoria=35

Anyway it is better to consult the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE to see all GMT available.
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection

ALE

 

[Muaitai]

I never bought any Panerai but I would like to know if they can be waterproofed?


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[Clark Kent]

That would be very interesting!

What is the differences between first class reps and super reps? I did not find a good explanation here. And why "pending definitive evaluation as Super rep"?

I also wondered how people are satisfied with a manual movement!? Isn't it annoying always winding it up by yourself, maybe every day? Is a manual movement better then the automatic one? I only noticed that there are more super reps with manual movements than with automatic movements...

 

[Best Replica In USA]

But the 104. Great watch.

Yes they can be waterproofed from the dealer but a local watchsmith or speedy can do it. I swim with mine all the time.

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[Clark Kent]

The only thing I'm thinking about is if a e.g. PAM 111 with a handwinding would be the better solution, although I do not like handwinding.

I do not understand how the handwinding movement could be better than a 7750 automatic. Isn't that annoying to handwind the watch all the time?

Nevertheless I still do not know the exact difference between a first class rep and a super clone rep? What does a super rep need to be a super rep and not a first class rep?

 

[45acp]

Those are just made up categories, I don't know what the distinction is. The Pam 111 is probably a slightly more reliable movement, just because of the manufacturing standards, quality of materials, and simpler mechanics. The new 104s with 7750 movements are very good, and I would consider them super reps. Visually my H factory 104 is almost indistinguishable from the real thing. I don't know how the N factory 104 is, as they're new and I don't think any reviews have been posted yet, but the pictures look very good.

If the 104 is the one you want, get it. On the very slight chance that something is wrong with the movement when you receive it, you can send it back to the dealer you buy it from and they will make it right. You're overthinking this.

1) Find the model you want.

2) See if there is a rep of that model of satisfactory quality (for the 104, either the N or H factory versions would be satisfactory).

3) Buy the rep from a trusted dealer.

 

[cndwatchguy]

The only thing I'm thinking about is if a e.g. PAM 111 with a handwinding would be the better solution, although I do not like handwinding.

I do not understand how the handwinding movement could be better than a 7750 automatic. Isn't that annoying to handwind the watch all the time?

Nevertheless I still do not know the exact difference between a first class rep and a super clone rep? What does a super rep need to be a super rep and not a first class rep?

Well hand wind movement has less parts. Less to go wrong.
As for it being a pain to wind, not at all, it's part of the charm.

Sit down, pick a strap, change the strap, wind the watch, shine it up, put it on

Also most last about 52 to 56 hours after full wind.

 

[Clark Kent]

I'm just not totally sure what to do as in the mean time I read about another model beside the PAM104 that should be a real good deal: the PAM029. There is a V2 2012 from Noob which should be the best but on the other hand I read about the BEZ PAM029 M N-Maker with SuperClone movement. As the PAM029 has a almost invisible GMT hand, this would also be a nice solution.

The one from Puretime
http://www.puretime.co/product/bez-...-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap-updated/
is marked as "SuperClone".
The one from TimeShop
http://www.timesshop.net/12448-xfpi39121-pam029-v2-noobfactory-2012-newest-best-edition-ss-lt.html
is not marked as "SuperClone" - but should be better???

Is one of the PAM029 better than the PAM104 I have in mind? I mean a better clone or higher quality rep?
Maybe I should just stick to the PAM104 from Puretime...

Do you recommend a 2836 or 7750 movement?? Which is of higher quality?

 

[45acp]

Both the 029 and the 104 are going to be of comparable quality. Get the one you like more. Personally I feel that the 104 is more a classic Panerai design, and it's also not a very limited edition so it's much more believable if that's important to you.

 

[Clark Kent]

By the way: As living in the EU it would be interesting if there are any troubles with customs when ordering a rep. I heard terrible things in the media about such things.

It looks like Puretime sends the reps by EMS to UK and then to the mainland by standard, at Timeshop you have to add this service at extra costs separately.

Any experiences with that? I really do not want to lose more than $300...

 

[45acp]

I'm in the USA, so I can't speak from experience, but most people in the Continental EU don't have any trouble so long as they use "triangle shipping," which is what you described.

 

[PolonusTM]

The only thing I'm thinking about is if a e.g. PAM 111 with a handwinding would be the better solution, although I do not like handwinding.

I do not understand how the handwinding movement could be better than a 7750 automatic. Isn't that annoying to handwind the watch all the time?

In my own experiences A6497 (hadwinded) vs A7750 are:

- less prone to problems
- are easier to regulate and are going to actually KEEP the pace
- cheaper to repair and to service

In my opinion, handwinding makes the watch more "personal" - you "feed" it every day to keep it alive. Think "tamagotchi" stuff

 

[ALE7575]

Dear Clark
I think you are a little confused and you don't know what you want.
I will try to clarify a little your situation.

Manual or Automatic
Manual is more simple and then more reliable in a rep.
Manual in a Panerai is the charm and "glamour" and all Paneristi like winding their PAMs manually. But if you don't like manual, the solution is very simple buy an automatic.
But I think you want to know why people like the manual, and it is a taste question, and as above said glamour and charm.. character . A little "tamagotchy" as Polonus said.
The more reliable manual 6497 and after that a 2836 or a 7750 working as GMT are almost the same.

First Class or Super Rep
In many cases it is more a subjective question.
A Super rep should be indistinguishable from the gen in a light side by side comparison and to be of the same material of the gen, with one or two little flaws and if it has display caseback must have the movement very similar to the gen. It should have all the functions of the gen.
A First Class rep can be more inaccurate, but need to keep indistinguishable too, we are more tolerant about the movement, because you cannot see it when you are wearing the watch. It could don't have some special features of the gen (Flyback function, Power reserve, etc...) but you cannot see it directly.
When we are saying "pending to upgrade to super rep" we are meanning that we are confident of the maker who has mede the rep, because has made other similar Super reps, but we have not yet any review or information enough to assure it, and we remain prudent.

Shipment via UK
At this moment to ship to EU it is very recommendable to make the transport via UK.
No problems about neither with Puretime nor with Timeshops.

PAM 111 - PAM 104 - PAM 029
111 and 029 are Super reps already tested and checked. IMO they are one of the best reps in the market.
PAM 104 of last versions N-series from Noo and H maker are pending of final evaluation. But surely will be Super reps.

PAM 029
One of my preferred reps. Many times I think it is better than PAM 111
You have Asian 2836 and "Swiss" 2836
Since you don't know the origin of the "Swiss" it is no worth the extra charge and you should go to Asian 2836.
Superclone is a name used by Puretime, it is the same.
Timeshops has this version too, consult this link:
http://www.timeshops.net/12451-xfpi39022-pam029-v2-noobfactory-2012-newest-best-edition-ss-lt
You can see you have two options about movement: Asian and Swiss. Chose the Asian.

If you don't want definitively the manual go to PAM 104 N-series without problems.
But, Please don't ask me what is better Noob or H maker.
You must leave some homeworks for you !!

ALE

 

[Gusete]

Dear Clark
I think you are a little confused and you don't know what you want.
I will try to clarify a little your situation.

Manual or Automatic
Manual is more simple and then more reliable in a rep.
Manual in a Panerai is the charm and "glamour" and all Paneristi like winding their PAMs manually. But if you don't like manual, the solution is very simple buy an automatic.
But I think you want to know why people like the manual, and it is a taste question, and as above said glamour and charm.. character . A little "tamagotchy" as Polonus said.
The more reliable manual 6497 and after that a 2836 or a 7750 working as GMT are almost the same.

First Class or Super Rep
In many cases it is more a subjective question.
A Super rep should be indistinguishable from the gen in a light side by side comparison and to be of the same material of the gen, with one or two little flaws and if it has display caseback must have the movement very similar to the gen. It should have all the functions of the gen.
A First Class rep can be more inaccurate, but need to keep indistinguishable too, we are more tolerant about the movement, because you cannot see it when you are wearing the watch. It could don't have some special features of the gen (Flyback function, Power reserve, etc...) but you cannot see it directly.
When we are saying "pending to upgrade to super rep" we are meanning that we are confident of the maker who has mede the rep, because has made other similar Super reps, but we have not yet any review or information enough to assure it, and we remain prudent.

Shipment via UK
At this moment to ship to EU it is very recommendable to make the transport via UK.
No problems about neither with Puretime nor with Timeshops.

PAM 111 - PAM 104 - PAM 029
111 and 029 are Super reps already tested and checked. IMO they are one of the best reps in the market.
PAM 104 of last versions N-series from Noo and H maker are pending of final evaluation. But surely will be Super reps.

PAM 029
One of my preferred reps. Many times I think it is better than PAM 111
You have Asian 2836 and "Swiss" 2836
Since you don't know the origin of the "Swiss" it is no worth the extra charge and you should go to Asian 2836.
Superclone is a name used by Puretime, it is the same.
Timeshops has this version too, consult this link:
http://www.timeshops.net/12451-xfpi39022-pam029-v2-noobfactory-2012-newest-best-edition-ss-lt
You can see you have two options about movement: Asian and Swiss. Chose the Asian.

If you don't want definitively the manual go to PAM 104 N-series without problems.
But, Please don't ask me what is better Noob or H maker.
You must leave some homeworks for you !!

ALE

Wow! you are super helpful and not only for this quote!

I agree, I love the 104 and although I've seen some comments about the colour of the fonts and the thickness of the numbers not being as per gen both seems very nice. The 029 on the other hand is just perfect some little and also almost imperceptible flaws are being corrected as per the v.2.

I have the v,1 and love it all the way even though its not your regular PAM. I wear it daily and if you choose this one I would recommend you to get one with the rubber strap that is just great for swimming and then look for an aftremarket strap for more dressy occasions.