PAM663 - New rep available

[lmmo]

Puretime has published the PAM663 photos.
http://puretime01.com/pam663-r-sf-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-p-3000-super-clone.html

Quickly:
- dial color looks too light, but hard to judge from photos;
- rep is clearly a deep sandwich dial, which is not the case of the gen;
- "6" and "9" of wrong shape (it should curve more in the tips;
- "2" in the "12" looks thinner than it should;
- lume in minute hand slightly thicker than gen;
- movement with relatively decent decorations.

Let's see the price and the first QC photos.

Rep and Gen photos...

 

[Ozerov]

Sumptuously! This model is much more interesting and more beautiful than 372. It is more close to the gen.

 

[lmmo]

I believe the dial structure is an instant tell. Too bad...

The gen dial structure for comparison.

 

[kilowattore]

The gen features a sausage dial, no doubt about it.
It's a pity, movement looks nice and case is the same as 372, so already repped well.
Also colors look way off but that could be the pic.

 

[shelby1501]

Sumptuously! This model is much more interesting and more beautiful than 372. It is more close to the gen.

In what way it's more closer to gen than 372? Movement looks decent but other than that I think everyone should wait for V2 until they don't fix few obvious flaws.

 

[Ozerov]

Excuse me for my knowledge of English.
I mean closer to the historical 6152/1

 

[illeo1978]

in the original moviment P3000, the crown is two clicks , step one to update the hours , the second click to update hours and minutes

 

[WalkerDH]

Excuse me for my knowledge of English.
I mean closer to the historical 6152/1

Well.. At this point we need a Pam 673 MM replica


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[Ozerov]

I hope that they will release 662. This is the only novelty that inspired me over the past few years. I had 622 and 587, but the execution of the dial, constantly spoiled the mood.

 

[walkingcloud]

You can look at the gen dial for two seconds and know that it's a sausage dial. How did the rep factory mess this up lol. I'm guessing SF factory

 

[pm-guy]

You can look at the gen dial for two seconds and know that it's a sausage dial. How did the rep factory mess this up lol. I'm guessing SF factory

+1
What a letdown with the dial...
Hopefully a better version will be out soon

 

[ALE7575]

DIAL LUME STRUCTURE OF PAM 663 - THE MIXED STRUCTURE

It is really difficult to tell the real dial lume structure of PAM 663 and other similar new models
Even with the gen in hand it is still difficult to decide about this matter

I had the opportunity some weeks ago of carefully studying the gen even with my watch loupe
As above commented, It is not easy to decide about the structure.

It doesn't seem a sandwich (at least not a deep sandwich), but obviously it is not a typical sausage.
Lume material has a completely clean and FLAT surface, uniformly recessed in relation to the dial surface.
The contour of the markers "cutouts" is sharp and well defined not rounded like typical sausage dials.
There is no curved edge of the lume material joining the vertical wall of the markers "cutouts". Technically said: there is not meniscus of the lume material touching the walls of the "cutouts"
Dial really looks under the loupe like a "sandwich" with an upper layer very thin (less 0,1 mm). This is actually difficult because with such a thickness the dial upper layer would be as perfect as it seems.
I honestly don't imagine how this nice dial can be made

PANERAI AD people in Madrid called this type of dial a MIXED structure between sandwich and sausage. And they said this was the "name" used by OP.
Therefore it would be a MIXED dial

ALE

 

[ShiroTenshi]

Look as if they fill the lume all the way to fill the void in the sandwich dial.


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[ALE7575]

Look as if they fill the lume all the way to fill the void in the sandwich dial.
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It looks something like that ... But I don't understand how PANERAI can get so uniform and flat surface of the lume material, without flaws and without meniscus (curve edge joining the wall of the cutout)
Even under the loupe, the upper edge of the cutouts and the joining edge between lume and the dial are perfectly squared.

ALE

 

[Uberschall]

The gen features a sausage dial, no doubt about it.

I was told by a Panerai boutique that it is an actually a thin sandwich dial with the hour indices filled in. :winking:

This is is further explained on Panerai's spec sheet, which states: "The substance used today to achieve exceptional night visibility, typical of all Panerai watches, is Grade A Super-Luminova, applied to the incisions made in the dial corresponding to the classic, large markers which indicate the hours.?"

 

[Uberschall]

I should have refreshed the page as it looks like we were all discussing the same topic! (I took my time to write the last post...)

 

[ALE7575]

I should have refreshed the page as it looks like we were all discussing the same topic! (I took my time to write the last post...)

No worries
Indeed your post is really interesting and "officially"confirms above commented
Thanks

ALE

 

[MR.JAMES_BOND.007]

A lot of the New Model Panerai's are like this dial "Mixed" or "Hybrid".... (Example Pam510 aka The New Pam111)

 

[nalomb]

This is pretty interesting regarding the new method of lume appliacation -- I really haven't been paying attention to Panerai's new releases ...

In most cases the simplest answer is probably right. Knowing how Panerai uses a lot of molds, cutouts and 'streamlining' practices in their production, is it possible that a mold is placed on top of the dial, lume is applied into the sandwich and the excess is cut or scraped off straight to align with the top edge of the mold? That would account for the vertical side walls and flat surface.

I'm thinking of how bricks are made -- where there is a mold, material is put in, the top is trued with a trowel and then its baked off and there are six straight sides.

 

[electric]

I'll buy one if they get it right