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Pam382 kw v3 vs v4
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But this is not a KW PAM 382. The link is from ZFac
There is no ZFac V3 version. We are calling V3 the last versions from KW-V6Fac
The link is the last version from ZFac released in June 2015 (called V4) and have some improvements on movement in relation to the previous ZFac version called V2 released in Sep 2014
Old version ZFac V2 had a movement ZP9000-V2, and last version ZFac V4 has a ZP9000-V2.5. Basically both movements are the same: P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted, but the last version has more accurate, balance cock and balance wheel "hole". The difference is noticeable. See below pics
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)
GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position
The rest of the ZFac V4 rep presents some improvements in relation to previous ZFac V2 version. The main improvements are in bezel and CG.
Bezel is overall more accurate (pearl, markers,etc…). Even the knurling has improved regarding either vertical or horizontal profiles and the polishing seem really improved. The transition edge between polished chamfered and upper brushed bezel surface are not as marked and defined as gen, and the chamfered edge is still narrower than gen, but overall is better than KW and ZFac previous versions.
CG is improved and now the chamfered is accurate and nice.
I have not seen changes on dial and Cannon Pinion looks the same ugly shape as previous versions. This is a big tell IMO
ZFac lume remains inferior to KW versions.
Since the movement and above commented features have improved we should upgrade this new version to First Class rep of High level
I agree ZFac and KW last versions maybe are now almost on par but KW remains IMO in a bit higher level due to the lume, dial, CP and overall finish. Besides we have an analysis of the KW bronze material confirming it is really similar to the gen material (we have no confirmation for ZFac)
If you want to know more info about this reps read PAM GUIDE:
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...earch-Identification-Evaluation-amp-Selection
ALE
There is no ZFac V3 version. We are calling V3 the last versions from KW-V6Fac
The link is the last version from ZFac released in June 2015 (called V4) and have some improvements on movement in relation to the previous ZFac version called V2 released in Sep 2014
Old version ZFac V2 had a movement ZP9000-V2, and last version ZFac V4 has a ZP9000-V2.5. Basically both movements are the same: P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted, but the last version has more accurate, balance cock and balance wheel "hole". The difference is noticeable. See below pics
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)
GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position
The rest of the ZFac V4 rep presents some improvements in relation to previous ZFac V2 version. The main improvements are in bezel and CG.
Bezel is overall more accurate (pearl, markers,etc…). Even the knurling has improved regarding either vertical or horizontal profiles and the polishing seem really improved. The transition edge between polished chamfered and upper brushed bezel surface are not as marked and defined as gen, and the chamfered edge is still narrower than gen, but overall is better than KW and ZFac previous versions.
CG is improved and now the chamfered is accurate and nice.
I have not seen changes on dial and Cannon Pinion looks the same ugly shape as previous versions. This is a big tell IMO
ZFac lume remains inferior to KW versions.
Since the movement and above commented features have improved we should upgrade this new version to First Class rep of High level
I agree ZFac and KW last versions maybe are now almost on par but KW remains IMO in a bit higher level due to the lume, dial, CP and overall finish. Besides we have an analysis of the KW bronze material confirming it is really similar to the gen material (we have no confirmation for ZFac)
If you want to know more info about this reps read PAM GUIDE:
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...earch-Identification-Evaluation-amp-Selection
ALE
But this is not a KW PAM 382. The link is from ZFac
There is no ZFac V3 version. We are calling V3 the last versions from KW-V6Fac
The link is the last version from ZFac released in June 2015 (called V4) and have some improvements on movement in relation to the previous ZFac version called V2 released in Sep 2014
Old version ZFac V2 had a movement ZP9000-V2, and last version ZFac V4 has a ZP9000-V2.5. Basically both movements are the same: P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted, but the last version has more accurate, balance cock and balance wheel "hole". The difference is noticeable. See below pics
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)
GEN P.9000 - ZFAC DECORATED A7750 IMPROVED NON-INVERTED ZP9000-V2.5 COMPARISON
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position
The rest of the ZFac V4 rep presents some improvements in relation to previous ZFac V2 version. The main improvements are in bezel and CG.
Bezel is overall more accurate (pearl, markers,etc…). Even the knurling has improved regarding either vertical or horizontal profiles and the polishing seem really improved. The transition edge between polished chamfered and upper brushed bezel surface are not as marked and defined as gen, and the chamfered edge is still narrower than gen, but overall is better than KW and ZFac previous versions.
CG is improved and now the chamfered is accurate and nice.
I have not seen changes on dial and Cannon Pinion looks the same ugly shape as previous versions. This is a big tell IMO
ZFac lume remains inferior to KW versions.
Since the movement and above commented features have improved we should upgrade this new version to First Class rep of High level
I agree ZFac and KW last versions maybe are now almost on par but KW remains IMO in a bit higher level due to the lume, dial, CP and overall finish. Besides we have an analysis of the KW bronze material confirming it is really similar to the gen material (we have no confirmation for ZFac)
If you want to know more info about this reps read PAM GUIDE:
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...earch-Identification-Evaluation-amp-Selection
ALE
i ask form the vendor a kW pam382 v3 ! This insist that was kW ! So he cheated me ?
It's a KW.
Just look at the cannon pinion, definitely KW. Also the movement has bold engravings with serial # "014163" that all KW's have. No need to worry!
Just look at the cannon pinion, definitely KW. Also the movement has bold engravings with serial # "014163" that all KW's have. No need to worry!
I am a bit confused right now ! All in all thanks for your advise ! Once more question ,why the bezel is a bit loose ? This happens in gen too?
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Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about the link: The link is ZFac called V4. I have already edited my post to avoid more confusions
Regarding the watch on the pics. The first pic is from KW due to the Cannon pinion (as correctly commented by ernien) and the bevelled of the bezel (narrower and non polished)
I would need to make some comparisons and study about the movement in order to confirm it is KW, because there are a lot of weird things lastly refgarding movements (see the matter of PAM 127)
Anyway the movement could be a ZFAC NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5 or a KW NON-inverted KP9000-V2
If the movement is KW, you have received the movement on catalogues that you have bought. So, no problem
If the movement, for some unknown reason, is a ZFac. No worries this ZFac V2.5 is even better than KW V2. Therefore OK for you
I will see latter. Please let me some time to confirm it
ALE
Regarding the watch on the pics. The first pic is from KW due to the Cannon pinion (as correctly commented by ernien) and the bevelled of the bezel (narrower and non polished)
I would need to make some comparisons and study about the movement in order to confirm it is KW, because there are a lot of weird things lastly refgarding movements (see the matter of PAM 127)
Anyway the movement could be a ZFAC NON-inverted improved ZP9000-V2.5 or a KW NON-inverted KP9000-V2
If the movement is KW, you have received the movement on catalogues that you have bought. So, no problem
If the movement, for some unknown reason, is a ZFac. No worries this ZFac V2.5 is even better than KW V2. Therefore OK for you
I will see latter. Please let me some time to confirm it
ALE
thank you ale7575 , what about the bezel , is a bit loose !Is this happens to gen watch too????
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I cannot feel how loose is your bezel
Gen is not loose and the clicks are quite precise. But bear n mind it is a rep and the bezel device is neither like gen nor perfect
Regarding movement it is really weird becuase there are parts very similar to ZFac and different from KW
I would need a better pic to make a good comparison
Try it with the rotor in the same position, better lighting and focus
Thanks in advance
ALE
Gen is not loose and the clicks are quite precise. But bear n mind it is a rep and the bezel device is neither like gen nor perfect
Regarding movement it is really weird becuase there are parts very similar to ZFac and different from KW
I would need a better pic to make a good comparison
Try it with the rotor in the same position, better lighting and focus
Thanks in advance
ALE
I am now o a small trip ! I will post photo tomorrow dear ! Thank you !
Once more I don't notice in any post any report about loose Pam bezel ! It's a bit annoying in the perfection of this watch ! Is so difficult to make a good bezel movement ????
Once more I don't notice in any post any report about loose Pam bezel ! It's a bit annoying in the perfection of this watch ! Is so difficult to make a good bezel movement ????
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Of course, I have this watch and almost all good PAM subs
Maybe you want to know if my watches are the same as yours. But the problem will be what you are meaning about loose and how much loose is actually your bezel.
ALE
All in all is not catastrophic a bit loose ,I think as loose as all reps , but I expected this minor thing willnot be a problem !so what is your favorite sub ?
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All in all is not catastrophic a bit loose ,I think as loose as all reps , but I expected this minor thing willnot be a problem !so what is your favorite sub ?