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PAM359 Identification

patnaboy

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Hi Guys
I have someone selling a Pam359 rep. locally. I have been scratching my head trying to figure out which version it is. There are lots of different versions listed in ALE’s guide. After further reviewing the guide, I am thinking this is a KW-V6Fac N-series w/decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2.
However, I am not 100% certain! I am wondering if any of you would be able to comment on which version this watch is?






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Your research has served you well. That’s a V2. Upgraded deco plate without the upgraded balance bridge. Great watch.


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Hello! I don't really like to get into the thread, when a consensus is found and everyone is happy, therefore, I apologize, but the definition of pam359 is a fascinating example, where there are many versions, few photos, and often, it is not so easy, so I will give a little explanation.

At first everything is simple, if the series is N, then it is KW / V6F. (The R series is vsf, the p.9000 clone is difficult to confuse, the M series did not have a normal decoration, and it is not difficult to notice it, P and Q series are ZF)

The v6f had some intermediate options, but in essence it is the inverted, non-inverted 7750 and seagull.
The latter easily throws aside, we do not have a balance wheel for 6 hours, in any form, it turns out, it is 7750.

I must say right away that on the day when p.9000 clones are ubiquitous, even where they don't belong ;), the layout of the decared 7750 does not really matter, no one is looking at it now. Fans of 7750 choose it by anyone, and those who want a clone will not understand the types of 7750 decorations either. Proceeding from this, and also the fact that apart from the movt. Decoration, there are no differences on the front of the dial, further analysis is purely academic:

The 7750 has not only the balance wheel in the wrong position, but the bridge is also on the other side. The factories considered that since they could not change the position, and the decorative plate includes a dummy balance wheel bridge, then you can place it on either side. Initially, as you saw in the Ale guide, it looked like this:
Zt0e88.jpg

This is the inverted 7750 and the direction of the bridge corresponds to the factory color 7750. This is the V6F V1.

And here is the movt. Image, on which the decorative bridge goes from the other side, and this is NOT the inverted 7750. And this is v6f v2.
Zt057K.jpg

Now look at what we have in the sample in question:
Zt0Wzv.jpg


As you can see, the decorative balance wheel bridge is missing, for reasons that I cannot say (maybe from the factory, maybe it fell off and was removed) but from the remains of the decoration of the gear, which is attached to the main decoration plate, we can see its position relative to the balance wheel on the right, which corresponds to the original inverted scenery of 7750, and therefore is V1.

In fact, I do not interfere with the assessment, it does not matter to her, but in 1950 luminors such questions often arise, and it is not always possible to answer them correctly. The sales section is full of confused clones from 7750 and 2555, not to mention the 7750 variants.
I just hope that if someone else has such a question, they can read and correctly interpret the data from ALE GUIDE.
 
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As usual my penchant for brevity gets the better of me -- KOT1917 is correct in that this is a V1 from KW, but for me, the V1 will always be this model:

ZtJ97R.png


No deco plate (RWI was agog when that was added), simple A7750 movement with a decorated rotor. There was a gap in time between the introduction of the P.9000 movement deco plate and the addition of the "more" correct balance bridge that's not reflected in ALE's Guide. If you want to dive into the weeds, I suppose the version with the corrected balance bridge but with the incorrect balance orientation would be a 2.5 (overall) / 1.5 (KW), but that's a little too much brain damage for me. Subjectively, I bought all three and found the version presented by OP to be the best mechanically.
 
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Thank you both for your detailed assessment and feedback on this. When I first looked at it I did not pick up on the specific aspects you guys brought up at all!! So I kept thinking it was a V2 solely based on the 'N' series and Balance Wheel position. Thanks guys. Your feedback is greatly appreciated!!
 
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KOT is right !!
Good reply

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