PAM356 with swiss movement, I need your advice

[zistars]

Hello guys,

the CNY give me the opportunity to past some hours (a lot in fact) browsing our TD's web site to validate my initial choice of watch : PAM 111 V3 with swiss movement.
Yes, suiss movement is for me something important. I want a rep with a reliable movement that can stand functional (with services) a life

I just found the PAM 356 on watch eden TD, described with a Swiss movement ! http://www.watcheden.net/panerai-lu...eather-strap-sapphire-glass-i-204208-p-1.html
For the moment, I did not find this watch with swiss movement on other TD web site....but I did not parsed all sites


With the asian movement, this watch is known to have the wobble issue @3. This problem initially decided me to avoid this gorgeous PAM 356 and choose the PAM 111

1) First of all, do you think it is a true swiss movement ? My feeling is yes, because it's a TD, and the price is much more than with the Asian movement
2) Do you think the swiss movement correct the wooble issue ?
3) Then, do you think this watch a super rep ?

Thanks for your lights , advices, thoughts. My credit card is burning my hands

 

[ALE7575]

Hi friend
You have a little confusion about this matter

Regarding PAM 111
The Swiss movement you will get will be a Swiss low grade with low beat and Novodiac instead of Incabloc. It is not the same as installed in gen and is much less accurate to real gen than Asian clone. On the other hand Asian 6497-2 is very reliable and accurate. Therefore no doubts about this watch: Asian is the best choice and cheaper

Regarding PAM 356
Gen PAM 356 is fitted with Swiss Valjoux 7753. This movement has different position of Date window from 7750 and features a date change pusher @10 instead of change by the Crown like 7750
Watch offered by WatchEden, I doubt was real NEW Swiss because a real NEW Swiss 7750 is more expensive, It will be most likely a Clone A7750 or Swiss 7750 refurbished. Anyway Swiss or not the result with A7750 is inaccurate in change date function and in date window placement, Besides the overall quality and accuracy of this replica is way inferior than Noob A7753 modern version.
The new Noob O-series fitted with A7753 movement is very accurate in all aspects and reliable enough. It is a Super replica.
The woobling hand issue is very magnified, because it is no easy to tell it without a careful inspection of the watch during some time. The issue is a slow and small oscillation movement of the minute hand counter of chrono (@3) that you cannot realize without observing and moving the watch, and it is not present in all A7753 watches. If you don't know about this issue it is very difficult to notice it.
In any case this is an issue of A7753 and you cannot avoid it at this moment. You have to admit this issue if you want the best and more accurate replica (it is the same with PAM 326 and PAM 187)
Swiss 7753 is clearly more expensive than the price of the best replica and there are some problems to a perfect adaptation to replicas, since the A7753 is not a perfect clone of Swiss 7753, as A7750 is. Anyway both A7750 and A7753 are reliable enough for a replica movement.

To summarize:
If you cannot live with the woobling problem: go to PAM 111, Asian 6497-2 and without modifications
If you can admit the woobling and you like the chrono: go to PAM 356 Noob O-series fitted with A7753

Good luck
ALE

 

[tunktunk]

Hello guys,
Soory for my poor english. this web gave me a lot of Knowledge. now i had 292j 127 and 356. IMO 356 was my big mistake. about woobling problem.

1) I would like to know can i buy VALJOUX ETA 7753 http://www.ofrei.com/page240.html to replace old movement(a7753)?


thank you

 

[zistars]

Hi ALE7575

thank you for your clear message. I will take some time to determine my choice, wobble issue is still disturbing me

I understand the 111 V3 has a reliable asian movement, and a swiss movement could not really be a plus.
On tswatch is found this one : http://www.tswatchltd.com/13148-xfp...black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-best-swiss-eta-6497.html
This watch seems to have an original swiss ETA. What do you think about it ?

Thanks

 

[ALE7575]

Hi ALE7575

thank you for your clear message. I will take some time to determine my choice, wobble issue is still disturbing me

I understand the 111 V3 has a reliable asian movement, and a swiss movement could not really be a plus.
On tswatch is found this one : http://www.tswatchltd.com/13148-xfp...black-dial-ss-lt-1-1-best-swiss-eta-6497.html
This watch seems to have an original swiss ETA. What do you think about it ?

Thanks

This watch are fitted with the movement that I was talking about, but with a gen Incablock and lyre spring. Although you can see is low 18800 beat and has a horrible Swan Neck spring and short micrometric screw exactly like a Noob rep. Wheels are rep too.
Up to you

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Hello guys,
Soory for my poor english. this web gave me a lot of Knowledge. now i had 292j 127 and 356. IMO 356 was my big mistake. about woobling problem.

1) I would like to know can i buy VALJOUX ETA 7753 http://www.ofrei.com/page240.html to replace old movement(a7753)?


thank you

As above commented people swapping A7753 with Swiss 7753 have had adaptation problems
If some one is reading this please inform us about

ALE

 

[c888]

I've read a few different things about this, that it cant be done... but I have also read people that have successfully exchanged for an eta7753, seems the most issue is needs new hands to fit eta and dw position.

also, didn't the TD's once offer a 187g with eta7753? and same with cartier santos chrono? How did the TD's get the eta swap in there?

here's one post on someone who did fit an eta7753 done by Domi, some modifications are needed.
http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/147151-pam-326-daylight-movement-swap/

z3k0 says:
Well, I doubt you can use top plate from A7753 on E7750 (or any 7750 for that matter), since date change setup is completely different. But, what I can say for sure is that you can use A7753 date wheel on any 7750 movement if you can reduce OD without "destroying" printed numbers.
I have tried to put 7750 DW on A7753 movement, and it works without any problem, and I would say DW lines up, at least for first generation A7753 PAM Daylights. Below are two pictures showing 7750 DW mounted on A7753, and 196 dial mounted on same movement. Based on this, I would say inner diameter and tooth construction and position are the same on A7753 and 7750 date wheels.

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[Z3k0]

To put ETA 7753 in any of new dayligths (A7753) you generally have 3 problems:
1. You CAN'T use datewheel from A7753 on ETA 7753 - so you have to use standard ETA DW (ugly), or buy aftermarket ETA 7753 PAM DW (very rare)
2. Hands from A7753 don't fit directly to ETA 7753 - easily solved by good watchmaker
3. Date window position on rep dial is probably wrong for ETA 7753 - I say probably because I haven't tried with this specific model, but all A7753 dials I have tested did not have correct date window position for ETA 7753 - if it is the case it's impossible to solve without gen dial

Hope this helps

regards

 

[zistars]

Guys

thanks you for your feedbacks, it's quite clear now that there is no PAM 356 on the market with a swiss ETA 7753 with a decent price
and also not PAM111 with a complete swiss movement. So let's buy a basic noob v3 or wait a little bit, I think new models could be put on the market after the CNY...