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PAM111H

icarus

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9/7/09
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it all depends on how fussy you are about the watch being close to the gen. DSN has arguably one of the best out of the box 111s in the market, i actually have one on my hand right now and it is some fine piece of work but as you said, it is rather pricey .... i've bought a fiddy from trevor before and the guy is really great to deal with and it costs a fraction of the DSN fiddy, i wanted to see it on my wrist first before popping that kind of money

so if you're not too fussy about the super-lumes and cannon pin fixes, then go for trevor ... but i can assure you, you wont be disappointed with the DSN 111
 

hottunaz

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5/10/09
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Trevor says he can offer me the cannon pin fix, so I guess its a pretty good deal
 

hottunaz

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Can anyone explain why I should get the movement with swan neck regulator? Thanks
 

vr44

Getting To Know The Place
4/10/09
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this is really interesting to me - can anyone answer it?


I believe [and can be ttoaly wrong] that the swan neck is a modification to the 6497 movement to "update it". The cannon pin some how interacts with this swan neck and messes with the height of something. reference below

For all us NOOBs out there this is what the cannon pin fix:
http://www.replicawatchreport.com/articles/watchmasters-corner/unitas-6497-swan-neck-replica-movement


EDIT: Ignore what I said above and See below post :) from Coldi :)
 

COLDI

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Swan neck is because the gen has it...makes it looks more like its gen counter part.

Normally we get the high cp so we can polish it and it makes the hands sit flush with it like the gen. Also with a high CP its easier to add lume to a sausage dial since the lume adds thickness to the dial.
 

guru

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The main thing on a PAM is the lume, so if you buy a PAM which does not have lume, you will not be happy at the end
 

hottunaz

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I ordered mine from Trevor and he agreed to do CP fix and superlume. So hopefully ill be happy when I receive the watch!
 

vr44

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4/10/09
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1. Is there a difference between an "engraved swan neck regulator" and just "a swan neck regulator"?

2. What are "Cotes de Geneve Bridges" ?

3. When COLDI said: "so we can polish it" does that mean to modify [hack] it?

4. Does the genuine pam111 have "Engraved Insignia Bridges" like this one?
http://www.trevorwatch.info/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_20&products_id=210

5.What is the differene between the watch you bough from trevor:
http://www.trevorwatch.info/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_20&products_id=55
and this one that trevor has?
http://www.trevorwatch.info/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_20&products_id=222



6. Anyone have an idea about the difference in weight between the ti and SS ?


Thats a ton of questions! - Can't wait to hear your guys thoughts
 

aardian

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11/10/09
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Swan Neck Regulator
It's called a "regulator" because it is one. The swan neck regulator helps regulate the timing of the watch to certain watch association specifications, i.e. COSC. When your watchmaker regulates a watch, he/she adjusts the beat so that the movement beats according to spec and then uses the regulator to adjust timing of watch so it meets the standard. Swan neck regulator allow the adjustment to be made in a very precise manner.

2. PAM 111 comes out as limited batch every year hence the additional postfix at the end of the model number. "h" denotes the h-year post Vendome acquisition in 1998 hence "h" normally indicates all PAM 111 manufactured in year 2005. This has something to do with the different details a watch may carry because different year may have different bridges engravings, font size/color, AR vs. NO-AR, etc. For PAM 111H, the correct bridge engraving is the Cotes de Geneve version which is the simple shell-patterned engravings of the movement back (someone can help out here and post pics of it, I'm too lazy for it ^_^ )

3. PAM lume. I think almost all PAM reps now have some sort of lume applied. They differ in the application and grade they carry. PAM's gen lume is the superluminova
kind and I was told it was a mixture of c1 and c3 grades superluminova, but some have also argued that it's a full c3 grade. Prior to using superluminova PAM had used radium (hence the radiomir series, and highly radioactive), luminova (hence the luminor series), and had also used tritium in some of the luminor series before it was forbidden by law. The most accurate reproduction of PAM lume I've seen have come from these modders: Vac, Ziggy, Flav, Rev. DSNs watches come superlumed and is fairly good but compared to the works done by the modders mentioned, it's still a few levels below them.
 

alvinado

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1) Engraves just means the officince panerai on the movement is engraved and not stickled

2) long story

3) yes. when it come from the dealers you still have to polish it to have a mirror finish to match the gen.

6) Titianium is lighter and brushed. SS is heavier. So if you like heavy watches, go for SS

Ti is also more expensive
 

vr44

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aardian & alvinado

thanks so much!

what differences do you see between he two watches I posted under #5? [i typed 6 before and am an idiot] :)
 

aardian

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11/10/09
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Dude... there's something wrong with your linking... Can't go to those websites you posted there... Wouldn't it be easier if you do the pics linking instead?